MTV star Lachlan Watson's gender trip

littlbrowndog

Jeez
To much time to much money to much me
Get some hobbies get a job

Yes, all I got from that article was "me, me, me, me".

Transgenderist "influencers" are training teachers of children to spread gender ideology/idiocy amongst gullible young students. And trans influencers (including drag queens who never completed high school) posing as "experts" are also going into nursery, elementary, middle & high schools directly to tell children that many of them probably were born in the wrong body & all of them can be whatever/whomever they want to be even if it involves "changing sex", an impossibility.

What these kids clearly need instead are 1970s consciousness-raising sessions run by loving, tolerant, properly-qualified radical feminist educators.

The bit of the article makes me wonder what has gone wrong in the last few decades.

"For the entirety of puberty I ran into that, where every problem that I had with my body wasn’t that I wanted to be male; it was specifically that I didn’t want the world to look at my body and inherently deem me female and inherently decide just by looking at me what I can or cannot do, how I’m supposed to sound, what I’m supposed to say, what my career is going to look like, how I’m supposed to act, my mannerisms. Everything could have been deemed by taking one look at my body because society assumes that’s what we’re bred and born to do,”

She doesn't want to be objectified or have her options restricted because she is female. Why are we not on the same side fighting the outdated stereotypes which really shouldn't exist any more? Why isn't she just being who she wants to be regardless of what people think? Why can't she see that it's society that needs to change, not her body?

We didn’t complain as much when really young women and teens had breast enhancement surgery because they were dissatisfied with their bodies. We should have shouted louder then - we were setting a precedent for the whole idea of making surgical changes to perfectly healthy, functioning bodies. That whole premise is wrong.
^this

Jeez
To much time to much money to much me
Get some hobbies get a job

Why can’t boobs be non binary?

They can. Non binary men take hormones to grow boobs whilst non binary women chop theirs off. Crazy

Throughout that article, I kept thinking 'she is searching and not finding it'.

Then having tried / believed she was lesbian (then reaching the conclusion she was wrong), she then believed she was male, only to later believe she was wrong, then believed she was non-binary and had her breasts removed - begging the question how she knew this time she wouldn't discover that was a mistake too?

Now having seemingly settled, how can anybody be sure her non-binary status is the cause? perhaps plain old maturity kicked in too?
And, maybe in this instance it all turned out ok - but there must be similar stories where that breast surgery was yet another misjudgment?

Yes, I know the interview used 'he'.

Boobs can't be non-binary because heterosexual men say they're not and homosexual men (many of whom are in fashion/marketing) don't like them so prefer smaller boobs to bigger. Those two storms combine to say boobs are a distinct part of not being a man.

One of the first things trans women seem to want to do is have a padded bra - proves they're no longer a man.

First thing trans men want to do is hide their breasts.

Can OP explain whats encouraging about eradicating lesbians?

And they are being encouraged by predominantly skirt wearing blokes who still keep their penises and enjoy their erections.

I'm scared to offend here but in my day, back in the mists of time, teenage girls who hated their bodies changing fought against the change with anorexia/bulimia. I was at an all girls boarding school so know the incidence of this would be higher than the general school population but is this still a course of action or have we replaced one kind of body hatred with another? I'm often struck by the similarities and then the absolute horror that one is celebrated, no one is allowed to point out the danger and horrifyingly permanent whilst the other is treated as a disease and we tell then NO.

I'm also so saddened that in the face of society's expectation instead of saying 'you can't tell me who I'm going to be' teenagers are now lopping their breasts off to try and hide who they are. Horrifying.

That's why it important to hold on to the fact that we are talking about a quasi-religion.

Yes. This.

It’s all just a load of cack isn’t it?🥺

Why can’t boobs be non binary?

They can can't they?
I'm at a complete loss as to how non-binary works within a physical binary body.

To my simple mind, it sounds like 'I don't feel black, and I don't feel white, but I have a black body' - so if someone is 'transitioning' as a non-binary, are they just saying 'but of the two, I'd still rather have a white body?' - so I feel a little bit more white than black, but still feel somewhere in-between?

I hate all this ‘you are special, you are unique - your body is wrong so change it medically’. How is that ‘being you’?

That's why it important to hold on to the fact that we are talking about a quasi-religion. The only way you can get through to cult converts is to sow doubt in their minds about their convictions, and these convictions have been laced with cod science, so real science is the only way to knock the fake stuff away.

And ultimately it rests on saying "Look,if that's what you truly believe about yourself, I can't stop you, but you can't force your beliefs on everyone else'. A combination of the basic rules and limits around religious freedom, a solid scientific takedown of the lies, and adults understanding the importance of safeguarding again, would seem to be the best course.

Absolutely correct that the children aren't leading us, they are being led.
They are being offered a persuasive interpretation of sex - 'be what you want to be'. Who wouldn't vote for that?

However, in the process of 'being who they want to', the initial euphoria of feeling liberated can result in believing that they will always feel that way. For instance a teenager not feeling comfortable in their body could be persuaded they are in the wrong body. They change gender (role) and find it liberating. Having done that, it doesn't take a lot more persuasion to start having permanent changes made... via medication / surgery. Feel good as the opposite sex? - great, let's go the full hog.
It's too young, it's too rapid and it's too fucking drastic.

Why can’t boobs be non binary?

I think it all hinges on whether or not we can defeat an ideology that says the only "real" thing is a person's subjective thoughts about themselves and that bodies, together with other material realities, are mere chimera.

The thing is, Torn, we have multiple, distinct populations that activists have pulled together under the trans umbrella - and teen angst/ROGD is one of them. The question we need to be asking is cui bono? Which groups does this conflation suit and which groups have the potential to be collateral damage?

I agree, I was trying to make the point that offering some teenagers a supposed 'reason' for their internal feelings and having a supposed solution (to change gender) suits those transexuals wishing to treat sex as fluid. It's using younger vulnerable people to meet their own ends either by persuading them that they themselves are trans, or that trans are a highly oppressed minority who need support to rage against the machine that is gender critical feminism (not that such a thing exists), or misinterpreted transphobia.

Only time will tell, but I dread to imagine how some trans will feel in 10-20 years times. Will they have been right all along, and they are now with the right gender and body, or will they remain in an unsettled state, or worst of all deeply regret the choices made when younger?

My gut instinct is that the increased prevalence of trans must include a fair few who have been drawn into it / persuaded / brainwashed because they were young and encouraged to make a choice too soon. That's tragic.

These are post-modern gender concepts developed by academics and released into the infosphere where they can be absorbed by kids who are bored, troubled, or seeking new and creative ways to freak out their parents.

And, as per another thread, if parents object to these concepts being taught as facts in schools, activists and politicians accuse them of calling for a new Section 28.

In North America, some young people identifying as Non-Binary (& other gender identities) are accessing medical interventions:

'The Uncharted Territories of Medically Transitioning Children'
recent article by Donna Reynolds
(extract)
"Who’s Leading Whom—and Where?

A January 2018 Washington Post piece highlighted the services provided by the UCSF Child and Adolescent Gender Center:

The type of services being requested has also changed. Clinicians say they are no longer taken aback by youths seeking some kind of boutique treatment — often “just a touch of testosterone” for an androgynous, nonbinary identity.

“It’s the children who are now leading us,” said Diane Ehrensaft, the director of mental health for the clinic. “They’re coming in and telling us, ‘I’m no gender.’ Or they’re saying, ‘I identify as gender nonbinary.’ Or ‘I’m a little bit of this and a little bit of that. I’m a unique gender, I’m transgender. I’m a rainbow kid, I’m boy-girl, I’m everything.’”

Dr Ehrensaft is wrong. Children aren’t leading the charge in this field, and limitless gender fluidity isn’t an idea that springs unbidden from the minds of adolescents. These are post-modern gender concepts developed by academics and released into the infosphere where they can be absorbed by kids who are bored, troubled, or seeking new and creative ways to freak out their parents.

The boutique response to adolescent gender games is likely a small part of what the UCSF Child and Adolescent Gender Center does, but that they indulge them at all seems frivolous and unworthy of the children and adults who genuinely suffer. And as the long-term effects of such interventions are unclear, it also seems risky.

Gender dysphoria isn’t new, but the treatment options and the evolving demographics are. Clinicians are in the unenviable position of having to make Solomonic judgments about how best to treat a changing patient population. And given the response by academics and activists to conservative treatment approaches, some practitioners may feel pressured to approve transitional therapies that are safe from professional censure but inappropriate for the patient. They may remember that an Ohio couple lost custody of their child for refusing to authorize hormone therapy, and that Kenneth Zucker’s clinic was shuttered, and that Lisa Littman’s research was sandbagged." (continues)
quillette.com/2018/12/29/the-uncharted-territories-of-medically-transitioning-children/

The thing is, Torn, we have multiple, distinct populations that activists have pulled together under the trans umbrella - and teen angst/ROGD is one of them. The question we need to be asking is cui bono? Which groups does this conflation suit and which groups have the potential to be collateral damage?

This is awful. I developed early and was sexually harassed at school by boys and had girls jealous and spiteful. That trend extended throughout my twenties. I'm nothing special but did end up with 32GG breasts on a slender frame.

I was told by society I was sexually attractive and therefore I should be proud. Before I was sexually active.

I had a breast reduction when I was 30 and it was amazing. People changed how they reacted to me. The type of men looking at me in the street changed and I've had women (who don't know my history) mention things about large chested women that I knew were said about me. Off-hand comments suggesting I was flirting when I wasn't at all, or flashing boobs when I was wearing the same type of top as them, no cleavage showing.

If I was given the opportunity to cut off my breasts as a teenager, I'd have done it.

I'm uncomfortable with them now as I've put on weight (I remind myself that my belly is bigger than my boobs though and I find that reassuring!!).

If we started to look at individuals' mental health as a reflection of society, rather than an individual pathology, we may be able to actually make lives better. And that includes individuals understanding their mental health (I'm using that term widely to include self-image etc, not pathology) in the context of the society they live in.

Sadly we are the society that has made so much of image and continue to do so.