The BBC have just peak-transed the nation

But where are all these surrogate mothers going to come from? Even if payment and commercialisation were legalised (in the UK) I really don't think it's something that large numbers of women will be queuing up to do.

Maybe they plan to force us to do it. Maybe the plan is to guilt trip us into it ("trans people will literally die if a surrogate doesn't come forward you selfish bigot!"). Maybe they've reached the "axolotl tanks" stage of misogynist batshittery.

In the case of this particular young person I don't think the question has even occurred to them. Long term consequences, what are those?

Cruella is at least a refreshing difference in direction from variants of Fae and other "If I squint I'm Grace Kelly" style names.

I'm waiting for someone to have the balls to try Lucretia or Morticia.

I am so surprised that the only reasonable trans person on that programme was the one born female. Behold my surprised face.

Also, Cruella? Really? Where has this person stashed the Dalmation puppies?

My friend who is 45 is lovely but never met a man she wanted to spend her life with, I'm pretty sure she is asexual, she decided to have a baby this year by donor and now has a beautiful baby girl but she had to pay for the entire treatment herself in order to get pregnant before it was too late for her to conceive without IVF.
It was a ton of money but she wanted a family. Why couldn't she get this treatment on the NHS?

I wonder if Noah knows the odds of conceiving using frozen eggs. And about the possibility of an accidental defrost.

Um, lying about being non-binary isn't cool.

What was with Noah? I couldn't get it.

She wants a handsome bloke and she wants a baby... and she's what ? a man?

Maybe someone should tell Noah that in America a surrogate baby costs $100k+ So in the unlikely event that surrogacy is legalised over here it will be even more unaffordable to all but the very rich.

There so much naïveté with these young transgender people. That you can take industrial amounts of fake hormones and have terrifying operations and your body will be absolutely ok and have no complications. That you will absolutely have no problem meeting someone who accepts you after all that and loving you just as you are now. And then you will find a surrogate and be able to pay for it all.

It’s completely crazy and all just pie in the sky fantasy.

Certainly seems a bit pointless to freeze gametes or embryos on the NHS if the NHS then isn’t in a position to do anything with them...

Collecting eggs isn’t an easy/cheap process (unlike sperm) after all.

In several areas of England, the NHS no longer offers IVF, at all, to anyone.
So anyone having sperm or eggs frozen will not be able to use them at a later date, without paying for IVF privately.
I am not optimistic about an increase in the availability of NHS IVF over the next decade or two.

I think it's all a bit like having your leg amputated because you have body dysphoria and then wanting the NHS to pay for a high tech artificial leg. It just seems completely outside the realms of what a cost cutting NHS has the finances to do.

A lot of women find pregnancy distressing, but as far as I know the NHS wouldn't fund a surrogate pregnancy for them? (And there would also be the practical problem of finding a surrogate).

Off topic but couldn't not mention it - the voice over and text on the screen mention clinical commissioning groups in England, but the accompanying illustration shows England and Wales (At 1:45). It's not clear which is correct. Very sloppy.

It's more the absence of the person in the description eg the woman.

A long time ago people stopped talking about for example 'the homeless', instead recognising and respecting that there were people; men, women and children who were homeless.

Tbf surrogate is a better term than “gestational carriers” which is utterly revolting and dehumanising.

I'm listening to the Radio series linked previously from Julie Bindel's tweet. Its narrated by Dustin Lance Black (Tom Daley's partner).

I'm really struck by how the woman/women carrying and giving birth to children are seemingly always described as 'the surrogate/ their surrogate/ our surrogate / surrogates'

This surely is why we are seeing more calls to change current uk laws round surrogacy.
This. Absolutely. It's only a matter of time before we see the first 'living body' investment trusts.

I just hope it doesn't become a viable job option for women on UC.

No worries, the endgame of neoliberalism will create enough abject poverty and destitution to ensure ample supply of Western wombs for rent.

But where are all these surrogate mothers going to come from?

Not India, it seems.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/20/india-bans-commercial-surrogacy-stop-rent-womb-exploitation/

I note the article makes particular mention of the demand from the US; this new legislation might cause a few sloppy thinkers to wake up a little.

I can’t believe have casual Noah Finnce is regarding the future requirement of an available surrogate. They casually dismiss pregnancy as something they never want to do, yet except some ‘random woman’ to do it for them with their frozen eggs? The lack of awareness is startling.

But where are all these surrogate mothers going to come from? Even if payment and commercialisation were legalised (in the UK) I really don't think it's something that large numbers of women will be queuing up to do.

Julie Bindel comment re surrogacy.

Linked program: Surrogacy: A Family Frontier
Episode 2: The Paths to Surrogacy
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06ttyw2

I watched a few minutes of the video, anyone else notice her talking about oestrogen but pronounced estrogen (e like egg) which is surely the American way of saying it. And yes the talk of just putting the egg in a surrogate mother, completely blithely and no issues about finding someone to be a surrogate
This surely is why we are seeing more calls to change current uk laws round surrogacy.

It’s just so strange and sad that young heterosexual girls feel compelled to take testosterone and have mastectomies because the don’t identify with any version of femininity

So much seems to start with 'I want...'