Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Radio 4 - 'cis' people who are 'safe in the world'

82 replies

MsMcWoodle · 29/12/2018 07:53

So angry. Just woke up to a discussion with Travis Top shop let me change with 12 year old girls or I'll scream and scream till I'm sick and some handmaiden writer. The whole thing was awful, one sided, and not challenged in any way by the presenter.
The real gem was when the handmaiden was talking about the duties of 'cis' people who are apparently 'safe in the world'.
Why was this left unchallenged?
Can anyone be so clueless that they do not realise women are NOT safe in this world. It's not even 8am and I want to tear my hair out.
Good morning.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
SlipperyLizard · 29/12/2018 23:30

Hipsterfun that was my favourite bit too - Travis so needed someone to step in and speak for Travis (in the very unsafe Today studio) that Travis couldn’t even let her finish her explanation of why she was there!

RedToothBrush · 29/12/2018 20:00

Consent at birth matters to Travis.

Consent of 12 year old girls wishing to change in Top Shop amongst other females only and not adult male bodied strangers like Travis matters not one jot to Travis.

Gosh isn't it like pro lifers.

Travis wasn't assigned a self centred tosser at birth but sure makes a point of being one as an adult.

nicenewdusters · 29/12/2018 19:18

I don't think I consented to not being assigned as a member of the Royal family.

Off with their heads !!

Beerflavourednipples · 29/12/2018 18:51

Every day, when someone is born, without their consent, they are told that they are 'boy' or 'girl'...

Nope, their sex is noted. You don't 'consent' to being a boy or a girl, you just are one. I didn't 'consent' to be 5ft2, I wannabe at least 5ft8.

What babies do have foisted upon them is the bullshit gender stereotypes which come about sometimes before they are even born. And Travis and Travis's ilk just reinforce these stereotypes by claiming that if you don't like shit that is normally associated with your sex, then there is something amiss, that you are transgender rather than that you are just someone who is not into boyish/girlish stuff. Or maybe it's just because they want to get into the girls changing rooms, who knows?

I have so much more respect for the likes of John Maclean. He is everything Travis could be.

Beerflavourednipples · 29/12/2018 18:45

God Travis Alabanza is just so tedious.

nicenewdusters · 29/12/2018 18:41

Autocorrect - it really knew what it was correcting there !!

I managed about 2 minutes of Travis' trivia. I loved the part where they said they were trans, just getting it out there, it wasn't the be all and end all for them. I'm guessing the rest of his performance was about being trans, in a stunning and brave way of course ?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/12/2018 17:39

Trivia - haha autocorrect!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/12/2018 17:39

I suspect trivia doesn’t really carefully consider what they say as long as someone is listening.

frazzled1 · 29/12/2018 17:35

Every day, when someone is born, without their consent, they are told that they are 'boy' or 'girl'... Hmm

Consent at birth matters to Travis.

Consent of 12 year old girls wishing to change in Top Shop amongst other females only and not adult male bodied strangers like Travis matters not one jot to Travis.

MadamBatty · 29/12/2018 17:05

Same Fekko

ChewyLouie · 29/12/2018 16:58

I only needed to listen to about a minute- keeps repeating he’s a worrier, explains a lot.Travesty.

He had no compunction about screeching against privacy for teenage girls in Topshop or maybe that was his warrior moment. A show of immense strength and courage supporting all males to access teenage girls in states of undress.
How does he face the females in his family and have the audacity To claim female protection in a radio interview? Shameless.

nauticant · 29/12/2018 16:45

Or a documentary.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/12/2018 16:42

When I was little I thought Cupid Stunt was funny. Now I know it’s a crime of some sort.

Neurotrash · 29/12/2018 16:02

Just listening.

Word salad.

Zero compassion for women and girls.

#Nodebate

MadamBatty · 29/12/2018 15:43

Doh I meant Kenny Everett’s Cupid Stunt. I blame lunchtime wine.

MadamBatty · 29/12/2018 15:42

Fekko natal women athletes just aren’t trying hard enough. They need trans women to show them what dedication really is. It’s part of their stunningness. Remember Kenny Everett’s Cunning Stunt?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/12/2018 15:37

Do trans men get a male minder then? Gosh, watching some of these trans women athletes you’d think they would have some special male super powers - like weight, height and muscle (and testosterone) advantage wouldn’t you

MadamBatty · 29/12/2018 15:26

Will that be a new role for women. Protectors for trans women so that they feel ‘safe’. Will we each be assigned our individual trans woman to meekly assist in their brave & stunningness?

R0wantrees · 29/12/2018 15:17

Travis Alabanza TedTalk
Nov 2017
'Who is allowed to be a victim?'

may provide context for how some such as the guest editor feel obligation to protect Travis

OrchidInTheSun · 29/12/2018 14:22

Travis deliberately presents themselves in a ay designed to draw attention to themselves and then gets upset when people notice them. Not a million miles away from that video from the game shop in Albuquerque is it?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/12/2018 13:53

So little empathy it’s painful.

LaundryLaundryLaundry · 29/12/2018 13:43

The bullied becomes the bully. Poor misunderstood Travis feels intimidated in male spaces, but feels comfortable making women uncomfortable in female spaces. Right.

GrumpyGran8 · 29/12/2018 13:20

Why was the whole stats on trans people being discriminated and attacked (stara from stonewall) not countered by the number of women murdered by men (I’m sure I saw a stat on twitter of 8 in the uk over Christmas?
I heard that on BBC breakfast News this morning. They had a man - a lawyer - talking about one of the recipients (I can't find her name anywhere - typical!) who campaigns against domestic violence. He actually stated that eight women had been murdered over Christmas "by their partner- male partner..."
I almost cheered when I heard him correct himself!

hipsterfun · 29/12/2018 12:58

LOL at the bit where Travis’s pal is explaining how sometimes it’s necessary to ‘step in and speak for them’ and Travis goes to speak and pal pauses and says “Go on, Travis”, and Travis says “Sorry to interrupt”.

Mate, just do your interview on your own Confused

Ereshkigal · 29/12/2018 11:58

Non-binary (regardless of sex) seems often to mean, I want access all areas on my terms because I say so.

YY. I've seen it often used to destabilise the idea of women's spaces even when they are inclusive of MTF trans people.

Swipe left for the next trending thread