Misgendered and violent

This never happens.
(Has anyone said this yet?)

On the other hand, makes me wonder if I was far too passive in Thomas the Bakers when they misgendered me twice
If I’d kicked up a fuss might I have been given free cheese straws?

Err, just because this person'is wearing earrings and carrying a pink bag doesn't mean they are obviously a woman! The poor shop assistant made an easy mistake.

I wish I had a $1 for every time I've been called sir (or emailed as sir, or received a letter addressed to me as 'sir'). I would be a rich woman. I've never ever threatened violence.

Tolerance works both ways.

I totally agree that it is a twisted mess and all we can do is speculate ☹

"Manliness" as in, "not showing any psychological weakness", perhaps? I'm speculating a bit but I can imagine all sorts of tactics to try and get around laws that say "you can't fire someone on mental health grounds". Or some misguided agenda about preserving the image of the forces as "benign saviours" rather than "unhinged maniacs", particularly after Abu Ghraib.

I don't know, the whole thing is a twisted mess.

I don't think Trump kicking out Trans from the military is about "manliness", apparently military leaders had been asking for it for years but the Obama administration was more concerned with appearing inclusive rather than military effectiveness. The high incidence of personality disorders within the transgender community is well known. Imagine if this person had a narc rage in the middle of a mission or the poor women in the military who would have to accommodate that behaviour with all the threatening behaviour. Bradley Manning assaulted a female soldier : www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8964543/Bradley-Manning-attacked-female-soldier-and-sent-picture-of-himself-as-a-woman.html

Re the military link (sorry to take hours, have been travelling), something that struck me is the possibility of untreated PTSD. We know in children that transgenderism is frequently linked with abuse and particularly teenage girls attempting to "identify out" of their own bodies. What if these military chaps are doing the same - trying to identify out of horrible things they may have seen (or worse, done)? This is where some kind of study would be helpful - were these people always AGP? What percentage came from difficult childhoods? How many went through traumatic tours of duty? How many bullied? How many gay?

This whole "Trump kicking TGs out of the military" thing has always sat badly with me and I think there's more to it than not wanting to spend Veterans money on surgery - I suspect there's a big "manliness" and psychological issue going on alongside (not necessarily from Trump himself, he's not that smart).

Can you share the link? Sounds interesting. And, yes, unsurprising given the patterns being seen.

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I'm supremely unsurprised.

I guess once a git then you’re always just a git. Male, female of clownfish.

I would think it does, Wordthe. It doesn’t mean that ex-miliatary people won’t still choose to threaten and intimidate people when they fancy it.

Or that they are not using it to what they think is the best effect.

How does it work in the military, do they screen out things like narcissism?

I would think it does, Wordthe. It doesn’t mean that ex-miliatary people won’t still choose to threaten and intimidate people when they fancy it.

One would think that military training would teach them to control their anger and use it for best effect

Lundy Bancroft talks about how often DV offenders tell him they have an anger management problem, and he points out that they don't, they are perfectly capable of managing their feelings when its in their interests. for example they don't scream at or beat up their boss at work, or their mates.

They have an 'I feel entitled to behave aggressively, intimidatingly and violently to people I feel in control of' problem.

Ex miliatary having a tantrum? I’d be surprised - maybe showing some alpha male assertiveness, but surely training would make them less likely to have a massive strop and threaten violence (and kick a defenceless Pikachu).

Yes, i expect you are correct. And it probably shouldn't, as it isn't known to be true even

Ok, sorry for saying it doesn’t matter - I don’t feel it is the most important point here, that’s my opinion - but I don’t think your post suggesting a name will stand here, is all.

It really kind of does matter to me, who individuals are. Time and time AND TIME again, we are seeing that these aggressive, abusive criminal transwomen are the very SAME transwomen that are driving the 'trans right's movement. And that is important, for people to know

They aren't different people. They are the very SAME.

Do we know how Caitlyn Jenner came out to his family as 'a woman's? He was caught trying on his teen daughters underwear

PrivacySetting I don’t think suggesting specific names is helpful and would only get the thread deleted - perhaps report your own post and get it deleted or you’ll have a strike for that for sure.

It doesn’t really matter who this individual is, apart from to law enforcement. What matters is how their behaviour is perceived by the wider population. That this incident highlights the kind of people that the self-id/‘acceptance without exception’ lobby expect women to share protected spaces with.

I've seen it suggested that it is Kristin Beck, ex navy seal. But, i dont think it is??

How disturbing. Why have we got to the point whereby being 'misgendered' is inherently the greater misdeed than any subsequent reaction to it

I'm trying to be Deliberately Vague but circumstances in which I accidentally misgendered this person included my calling out gendered dynamics - men present (or at least those who presented as male) were not letting women speak and women had previously approached me to say that they found a certain male's (although it turned out this was not how he considered himself) behaviour appropriate.

wrecking a shop whilst trying to flounce

I'm giggling over that image. It must be hard to flounce in size 11 pink trainers when you've just kicked the shit out of the Pokemon display stand. Somebody referred earlier to the "sir" in the video doing the hulk smash noise. That's still making me laugh every time I think of it.

Of course my laughing is a reminder of the famous Margaret Atwood phrase that men fear women will laugh at them, women fear that men will kill them (paraphrased). I'm going to keep laughing, even if it's literal violence.

Titania is brilliant. I hadn't come across her before.

I think this video is awful and of course if I'd have been there I'd have been scared shitless. Male violence is inherently frightening. But equally I'm pleased to see the video because it is really really hard to watch it and think 'poor delicate woman.' And to see how many views it's had and the number of comments on Twitter, well it just confirms how few people buy the things TRA's are trying to force on people. Trans ideology might very well be doing real damage now and I'm sure we have a way to go but we will get there eventually. People will look back in 20 years and think 'what the hell happened that people swallowed those ideas?'