Misgendered and violent

And can I also point out that sexuality is an area where I feel trans people have evolved beyond the understanding of the average person?

This belief that people who are transgender being evolutionary superior is interesting.

Della Aleksander voices it in the 1970's documentary Sunkisses shared.

OP comment:
"I did a search of Mumsnet and couldn't see any other posts about this extraordinary 1973 discussion show which was produced by transsexuals 45 years ago where they were given free-reign, free from editorial control. Four transsexuals are joined by a psychologist and an MP.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06c83f4/player

Where to start? Maybe with the show's producer and host, Della Aleksander, who is the most bizarre of all the participants. Della starts by claiming that a "chastened and wiser" Adolf Hitler and Queen Victoria have said, through a medium, that "there was a special role for me, in the reconstruction following a world wide collapse in 1978-79". Della also claims to have been sent from another world where the sexes don't exist and that transsexuals are the only model of a "higher race"! Della also claims to have founded the neo-Nazi sounding European National Movement in South Africa whilst serving in the Army there (I couldn't find any info on them, but they sound well dodgy to me).

Della also seems utterly confused, mis-using the terms 'bisexual' and 'intersex', and appearing to think these words mean transsexual, and that the appearance of nipples on a man means 'we are all transsexuals'. Della is, thankfully, corrected by the psychologist at 33.53 mins in who states that it is important to use the correct terminology, but Della wafts such trivialities away by saying "I don't want to get bogged down in medical questions". The MP, Leo Abse, argues against the 'trans umbrella' (before this term was invented by Stonewall etc) at 36 mins in.

There is clear evidence of autogynephilia (AGP - the sexual fetish of a man loving himself as a woman) at 33.23 when Della says the "sex act" is a "transsexual one", as "one attempts to become and absorb the beloved". (continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327193-BBC-Open-Door-programme-45-years-ago-on-transsexuals-a-real-jaw-dropper

Can I just add this from Kat Blaque too, because some of it's kind of hilarious?

twitter.com/kat_blaque/status/1079454815934005248?s=19

"Yeah, this sounds pretty transphobic. Incredibly so actually. Why do you get to define your homosexuality,but trans people don't? I'll never understand why gay men, after years of being framed as pedophiles, rapists and deviants, somehow feel like they can do the same to transppl

And can I also point out that sexuality is an area where I feel trans people have evolved beyond the understanding of the average person? Trans people often embody things that people cannot quantify or narrowly define. I know who's attracted to me and who isn't.

But cis people will insist that only an incredibly narrow segment of men could ever possibly find me attractive. That doesn't reflect in my reality, but the fact that they insist on their ignorance being truth really reinforces that we just have a higher level of understanding.

Because in most cases, if someone lives something, you trust their narration.But people handle trans people as though they don't know how their lives are or how they are viewed. It's incredibly condescending and we wouldn't accept it in most cases. Transphobia makes it acceptable"

The Ego Has Landed.

Shamelessly stealing from the lipstickalley thread on the incident : Must be PMS (PreviousManSyndrome)
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What I don't get is this is the same America where the first amendment gives right to free speech, allowing westbro Baptist church to protest at funerals, you're allowed to say racist things etc because it's free speech so freedom to speak and freedom to challenge, but then one group seems to think free speech doesn't apply to anyone saying something they don't like.

I am morning i am

Then there's a lot of woke folk saying that trans people have really opened their eyes to concepts.of gender and society

Some types of trans people have opened many eyes to 'concepts of gender'... more peaking all the time.

Oic, thank you morning

I take it all back, Rufus, you're brave and stunning.

Thingybob, SunsetBeetch was quoting from that twitter thread. It's utterly bonkers, but I don't think Sunset shares the view expressed!

Actually morning

I bet it was happening while i was in my mums tum....

George? Dont you mean georgina? You are going to put georgina on her birth certificate though...youre not actually going to call her george

(Not george obviously

SunsetBeetch

The sales assistant clearly did not misgender intentionally, he misgendered because it was so obvious to him, and everyone else in that store, what sex that person had been born.

Can you not see how counter intuitive and almost impossible it is for people to not misgender when they know what they see in front of them. If I gave you a cat and told you it was a dog would you really be able to speak naturally without inadvertently calling it a cat? Incidents like this do nothing to improve relations between trans people and everyone else. It will either make people unnaturally tiptoe around you or leave them too scared to say anything at all. Is that what you want?

And talking of empathy, can you not feel any for the sales assistant who is clearly kacking himself or the customers and kids in the store, who must have been frightened by that behaviour?

Ah, but Rufus, you haven't had to live with the literal violence of being misgendered since you were in the womb. Ergo you haven't evolved to the higher level of understanding that trans folk have attained and you can't possibly know the daily erasure that this poor woman has suffered which finally made her snap. Or something like that.

They don’t care about anyone else’s thoughts.

Here's Rachel McKinnon explaining why not agreeing with everything a trans person says is gaslighting and injustice.

www.academia.edu/8423524/Allies_behaving_badly_Gaslighting_as_epistemic_injustice

Rachel doesn't comment about trans people not agreeing with women's other people's views.

Bad behaviour is bad behaviour. How can some people just not see that??

I have a short version of a longer name

I cannot tell you the amount of times i have been told that its not my name, that it isnt the name on my birth certificate, its not what people call me, and im then refered to by the longer name

Hundreds of times

And as yet i havent threatened them, caused them to be frightened of me or broken anything

I have however refused to engage with them and walked away

A billion and one excuses why awful behaviour and a complete lack of empathy, social awareness and self control ought to be excused.

No.

That emperor is also stark bollock naked, and a bad tempered, self important exhibitionist.

So it's changed from:
We want the video removed because it's staged
To
This isn't a true trans person it doesn't represent us all
TO
It represents us but CIS people make us do it?

do i have this right?

Kat Blaque's hot take on this incident:

twitter.com/kat_blaque/status/1079018159800111104?s=19

Cis people laughing at that video of a trans woman being misgendered and being openly and loudly upset about it is why I don't believe most cis people contain the depth to have empathy towards transgender people. Most of them will never understand the strength it takes to be us.

When someone goes out of their way to misgender you, it's them being an asshole. On a human level, it should register to most of you that's what that is. If you told me your name was Tom and I insisted on calling you Sandra, you'd probably feel some type of way about that.

I truly feel like trans people have evolved to a level of understanding that is unattainable to most cis people. The fact that we're still having this conversation blows my mind. The convo has shifted, but is still so much the same. I can only conclude that it's beyond them

Then there's a lot of woke folk saying that trans people have really opened their eyes to concepts.of gender and society

'Look at me!' Adopting sex stereotypes does not make a man a woman. How offensive.

Like many women I get mis-Ms'd all the time. Throwing a tantrum like this at every 'Mrs' would be an aggressive overreaction and probably get us arrested.

This is what hapoens when we live in a world where 99% of people don't know that wearing pink makes you a woman.

My son was called a boy at the hairdressers does she need a trim too? Yes he needs a hair also but to be fair he did have long curly hair

Positively puffed up with pride in fact

How embarrassing

Well id be embarrassed at any rate

This is going to get worse before it gets better. it's so important people see these things.