Misgendered and violent

Well I’m Greta Garbo then. Just because.

Daily Mail article on this incident has 53K shares.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6536045/Furious-transgender-woman-rages-store-clerk-calls-sir-instead-maam.html

Nearly 10K comments on the Titania McGrath thread about this incident.

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1078692301344518146

Titania has followed it up with:

"If you have a girlfriend but she doesn’t have a penis, then you’re probably transphobic".

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1079494241204822016

are they even trans

They're not, they're a woman because they said they are. That's what self ID is all about.

Please stop trying to control what people on MN FWR (Feminism & Women's Rights) discuss

I agreed with Mumsnet! Hardly control.

the principal purpose of this video in the eyes of many is to show the scary reality of what transgenderism means in practice & ordinary life

That behaviour is unacceptable no matter what that person is. We know nothing about that person....are they even trans, do they have mental health issues, were they under the influence of drugs or alcohol ?

(Note to MNHQ / watching Eyes) I said males because the discrepancy between this person's biological sex and identified gender is very relevant here).

Every group of people has idiots. Their behaviour cannot and should not be used to as representative of the entire group and as justification to denounce that group.
Correct.

Which is why there are multiple threads on mumsnet concerned about a group of people who were biologically male at birth jumping onto the trans wagon in order to invade women's spaces, take over the definition of women, shut women up. It's why there are concerns about people born biologically male, claiming to be women and then gaining access to spaces where they can display aggression towards women.

As many threads state quite clearly, most people have absolutely no issue with trans people but they do have a massive issue with self ID and the way that aggressive male behaviour is used to intimidate others. This video demonstrates that such people exist.

Every group of people has idiots. Their behaviour cannot and should not be used to as representative of the entire group and as justification to denounce that group.

This video shows a large male being violent, abusive and threatening. Nobody would say that all males are dangerous but we have sex-segregated spaces to try to stop women in vulnerable situations being faced with people like this.

The sole purpose of a video like this is to provide ammunition

No, the principal purpose of this video in the eyes of many is to show the scary reality of what transgenderism means in practice & ordinary life. This menacing brute is the frightening type of person girls & women are supposed to surrender our civil rights to/for. You think we should budge up & bow down to explosive, abusive large-bodied males with identity issues. We say NO! NO! NO!

Linking the fact they are trans to being a complete dick doesnt help anyone

The chap was complete dick. A violent, abusive dick. In a shop that had women and children in it.

Threads like this should be removed as MNHQ have been doing. The sole purpose of a video like this is to provide ammunition.

No, this event has been covered by MSM.
Please stop trying to control what people on MN FWR (Feminism & Women's Rights) discuss.

A male person's rage at being 'misgendered' towards a female customer and shop worker is relevent to discussions about women's rights, safeguarding, free speech and political process.

I find some of the comments on this thread quite disturbing.

Fine the person is apparently a transwoman - that doesnt mean they cant also be a complete and utter arsehole.

Linking the fact they are trans to being a complete dick doesnt help anyone. It stirs up resentment towards transgender and transsexual people. I get it ... noone likes the current mess that is the law over TG but we target that at changing the system not at individual's.

Threads like this should be removed as MNHQ have been doing. The sole purpose of a video like this is to provide ammunition.

Every group of people has idiots. Their behaviour cannot and should not be used to as representative of the entire group and as justification to denounce that group.

Found it! 449 comments so far (haven’t read them all )

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157457948491323&id=10513336322&fs=0&focus_composer=0

Not a particular intellectual contribution but this made me smile.

EJennings, I am even more NAL but the discussions I saw all seemed to pretty much centre on the First Amendment, from both UK & US Ls and NALs. Some said it did apply & some said it didn’t but the whole freedom of speech thing seemed to be key.

I’ll see if I can find the link - was the Guardian on FB I think

But how are you mean5 to know that guy is a lady ?

That was no lady!!

truly feel like trans people have evolved to a level of understanding that is unattainable to most cis people. The fact that we're still having this conversation blows my mind. The convo has shifted, but is still so much the same. I can only conclude that it's beyond them

says the man displaying a large pair of fake breasts.

I’ve seen debate online about whether Elon Musk can use the first (?) amendment to wriggle out of his “pedo” slander of the British caver in Thailand.

His lawyer claims he can.

That wasn't transphobia it wasn't any kind of phobia, a phobia is irrational fear
That was very rational fear of a large muscular human behaving in a very angry manner

EJennings and MaisyPops

Excellent points. The threat of gun violence is definitely a consideration in any public altercations here in the US.

Whilev we do have a Constitutional right to freedom of speech and the government cannot punish offensive language or beliefs, (unlike Canada, where one can be prosecuted for "hate speech"), there is no protection against the social consequences for one's words. We very much live under the oppression of political correctness; people lose jobs, businesses, and reputations for speaking socially unpopular beliefs, and nothing is more sacrosanct than trans-identity. The fervor and backlash for any criticism can be incredibly harsh, especially in academics and professional fields.

I don't believe most cis people contain the depth to have empathy towards transgender people. Most of them will never understand the strength it takes to be us.

I truly feel like trans people have evolved to a level of understanding that is unattainable to most cis people.

I was convinced this would turn out to be a parody of some sort. I didn't believe a really person could post anything this tone deaf.

Apparently I'm wrong. It's yet another 'writer' who is using a real name, has 10s of thousands of followers and seems to genuinely think that being trans makes them 'deeper' 'stronger' and more 'empathetic' than mere 'cis' people. There are loads of similar minded folk on their feed doing contortions to justify the abusive dick in the video and demonise the poor check-out lad.