Misgendered and violent

Transvestite then. Male in ‘female’ attire and accessories.

That is not to say they are transsexual though just because they think they are. It is safe to say from the testosterone fuelled display they are unlikely to be in any form of medical transition.

Its not possible to simply identify testosterone as the cause.

One should not assume the medical/surgical interventions that a transwoman is/isn't undertaking.

What on earth else might they be if not trans?

Sadly by current definition I supposed they are trans because they say they are.

That is not to say they are transsexual though just because they think they are. It is safe to say from the testosterone fuelled display they are unlikely to be in any form of medical transition.

There are always going to be those who co-opt a minority identity though to claim victimhood. Is what we are seeing simply a bully coopting an identity as an excuse to bully others because it makes them feel better ?

I feel this incident constitutes a watershed moment
It seems more and more obvious that this aggressive trans movement is a response to the progress that has been made by women
They are just in a right old tizzy

are they even trans

Good question. The current mantra is that everyone who says they are trans is trans. If the gender recognition bill is ever passed, then that self-evidently insane belief will become law. It results in the absurdity of people being berated on Twitter for "misgendering" Ian Huntley.

I don't know if you noticed, but that is why we are all so angry.

Both of my daughters were 'mis gendered' when they were little, as they were bald and not wearing pink! I, as a woman, have been called a lot worse than 'sir'. I haven't needed to resort to violence to deal with those situations.

Threads like this should be removed as MNHQ have been doing.

Thank you MNHQ for leaving this thread.

This person has shown how frightening they are when riled. This person is large, aggressive, intimidating and was not born female.

This person claims womanhood, hence access to safe female spaces where girls, women, elderly women, battered women are naked and vulnerable. And we're not supposed to discuss this? Wow.

are they even trans

I missed that gem.

Obvious male born person, making feminine clothing and personal style choices, screaming and bellowing expressing displeasure at having been misgendered and announcing that they are obviously a woman.

What on earth else might they be if not trans? Genuinely bewildered here. How are people supposed to tell so they don't end up victim to some large individual going berserk at them?

That behaviour is unacceptable no matter what that person is. We know nothing about that person....are they even trans, do they have mental health issues, were they under the influence of drugs or alcohol ?

We know that this person is male.
We know humans can't change sex.
We know that we need to be able to identify and name male-pattern abuse, coercive control and violence.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

are they even trans

They are under Stonewall's umbrella and Ruth Hunt's mantra of "acceptance without exception".

Threads like this should be removed as MNHQ have been doing.

That behaviour is unacceptable no matter what that person is. We know nothing about that person....are they even trans, do they have mental health issues, were they under the influence of drugs or alcohol ?

Agree with pp, they are a woman because they say they are a woman. Self-id in a nutshell.

If this person had actually thumped anyone in their aggressive angry rant, it would have been recorded by Canadian authorities as violence committed by a woman.... . Self-id makes a mockery of crime stats.

The point is that person has been given a tool to intimidate and menace the people in that shop. The proof is that they were intimidated and menaced.

People are already writing about it saying that this person was abused, and subjected to hate speech and therefore it was justified. A stance that is repeated from one end of the Internet to the other.

Until male bodied people publicly yelling their heads off that they have been misgendered is viewed with contempt and suspicion by everyone, we will continue to highlight this behaviour.

Well said. Thanks.

No one in any democratic society has the right to demand that other people perceive them as they perceive themselves. Nor does anyone have the right to dictate what words others can use to refer to them. These are extraordinary, special rights claimed/insisted upon only by transgender people for transgender people alone.

The inane idea that "misgendering is an act of literal violence" that should be prohibited & penalized as if it were the very worst sin in the world has got to go. Ditto the notion that trans women endure more pain, oppression & suffering than inmates in medieval leper colonies, blacks under slavery, starving children in Yemen today & every other unfortunate soul who has walked the earth ever. FFS get over yourselves.

Also: if this middle-aged guy were really a woman, he'd wouldn't be bellowing about being misgendered, he'd be bitching about no one paying him any attention at all. Because after a certain age, biological women are routinely treated as if we're invisible.

Every group of people has idiots. Their behaviour cannot and should not be used to as representative of the entire group and as justification to denounce that group.

So far the behaviour of just the ones providing the face of the TRA movement, talking on tv and radio, giving advice to government committees and training national bodies/advising on policy is providing a strong reason to scrutinise every word the lobby is saying.

Just as an aside, I love Titania McGrath and I'm very pleased to see she's out of Twitter jail.
(Apologies for assuming pronouns.)

Sometimes it’s reallt hard to tell!

Popchyk sorry my bad. Not familiar with the account and seen way too many mental gymnastics and absurd posts from TRAs. Don't know if to be cross at myself for not seeing it or sad that it seemed so plausible that it's true.

It is a parody account, Rebel.

To be fair, a lot of people seem to be taken in - today 'Titania' has posted a copy of her twitter notification that someone reported her statistical analysis of future terrorism - it was a graph of terrorist acts in 2019, clearly labelled as such. I think the difficulty is that some of the 'serious' accounts are so absurd, like the one about trans people being more evolved than mere mortals, that it's becoming difficult to distinguish the satirical from the (terrifyingly) earnest.

Anyone who claims that anything that causes sterility is a pinnacle of evolution is dumb as a box of rocks.

Oooh, maybe transgenderism is the planet's way of dealing with over-population? That thought had never occurred to me but you may be onto something.

On the video, I agree that one horrible, violent, ranting transwoman doesn't mean all of them are like that. But transgenderism does make possible this particular form of violence, and I'm genuinely appalled by the posts on some twitter feeds attempting to excuse it.

It is a parody account, Rebel.

NATALT is no more an argument for the dismantling of sex-based services and spaces than NAMALT is. This is an MRA talking point.

We all know NATALT and NAMALT. The purpose of sex-based services and spaces is to keep out all the males who are LT.

This video is the perfect illustration of that.

"Beautiful and gracious woman" ?!?

Really? Someone threatens other, kicks things and has a temper tantrum and that's gracious?

I agreed with Mumsnet!

Given that MNHQ haven't deleted this thread, it would appear not.

Posts and threads which break talk guidelines are deleted (so if one does and then there's a TAAT they'll both go). Have you reported the threads you've spammed with the same post citing whichever rule you think they break?

Linking the fact they are trans to being a complete dick doesnt help anyone.

We're not linking the fact, that person is. The entire point of their rant was that they are trans.

That behaviour is unacceptable no matter what that person is. We know nothing about that person....are they even trans, do they have mental health issues, were they under the influence of drugs or alcohol ?

Who cares?? The point is that person has been given a tool to intimidate and menace the people in that shop. The proof is that they were intimidated and menaced.

People are already writing about it saying that this person was abused, and subjected to hate speech and therefore it was justified. A stance that is repeated from one end of the Internet to the other.

Until male bodied people publicly yelling their heads off that they have been misgendered is viewed with contempt and suspicion by everyone, we will continue to highlight this behaviour.

HQ have informed anyone who has asked that this specific subject is now acceptable for discussion because it is in mainstream media.