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Misgendered and violent

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yiskasha · 28/12/2018 19:04

I know it's from the Daily Mail, but I can't find anyone else reporting on it. I've never seen a woman tell a man to "take it outside" or aggressively kick a display down because they've accidentally been called "sir"... (hope the link works).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6536045/Furious-transgender-woman-rages-store-clerk-calls-sir-instead-maam.html

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TheCbeebiesYellowBlobs · 28/12/2018 19:45

I can't understand why you transphobes wouldn't want to share changing rooms with this woman 🤷‍♀️

birdsdestiny · 28/12/2018 19:45

My point being that we segregate by sex partly because of male violence. So my dh is not allowed in female spaces because he is a man. We apply sex segregation to him even though he is not violent. Just because one man is violent doesn't mean they all are but it is impossible to tell which is which. So no obviously not all transwomen are violent in the same way as not all men are violent. But men are not allowed in female spaces.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 28/12/2018 19:45

These 'isolated incidents' and 'isolated individuals' form a rather large crowd with new ones appearing about weekly. There isn't a rug big enough to sweep this under.

And I've seen angry women plenty of times, I've never seen one smash things up and threaten violence when displeased. I've seen many, many men do it. It's rather as pointless as insisting that women commit sex offences too (all 2% of them).

feelingverylazytoday · 28/12/2018 19:44

Just because one transgender person has acted in this way doesn't mean they all will
It's not just one transgender person though, is it? There seems to be quite a few cases of transwomen acting in a violent and aggressive manner.

starcrossedseahorse · 28/12/2018 19:44

The problem is male violence, something quite beautifully illustrated in that video. Male violence, even when it's wearing pink trainers and hoop earrings

This

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 28/12/2018 19:42

This explains why a lot of TRAs claim that women either don't notice or don't mind their presence in our changing rooms, toilets etc. Faced with the prospect of something like this, most women won't comment. They'll just quietly finish & leave as fast as they can.

This also doesn't imply at all that all transwomen are dangerous any more than that all males are dangerous. Of course not. Women don't know who is likely to be a threat. That's why we have single sex spaces, to remove the need for case-by-case judgment calls.

terryleather · 28/12/2018 19:41

The problem is male violence, something quite beautifully illustrated in that video...Male violence, even when it's wearing pink trainers and hoop earrings.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/12/2018 19:41

Just because one transgender person has acted in this way doesn't mean they all will.

Right and what protects the other transwomen from this person when they kick off in the toilets?

These are the violent people allowing trans people into the female toilets are supposed to protect from, but the loop hole is this.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 28/12/2018 19:41

@bub I'm a real woman. 100% biologically female.

I would never offer to 'take this outside'. HTH

Terfnserf · 28/12/2018 19:40

Of course it's a bloody woman, she's got hoopy earrings and a pink handbag, couldn't possibly be a bloke...oh wait...

TheBubGrower · 28/12/2018 19:39

My point being birdsdestiny that one individual does not represent every transgender person. Just because one transgender person has acted in this way doesn't mean they all will. Same applies to feministfairy

treaclesoda · 28/12/2018 19:39

I had short hair as a teenager and was frequently mistaken for a boy.

I should have kicked off and asked to take it outside, clearly.

starcrossedseahorse · 28/12/2018 19:37

TheBubGrower you do know that only 'real' women can grow bubs right?

birdsdestiny · 28/12/2018 19:37

Thebub, why can my dh not go in women's spaces and that man can. My dh would be safer.

feministfairy · 28/12/2018 19:36

Sigh, "stand outside places with their dogs while women try to meet"....

AnyFucker · 28/12/2018 19:36

Do they use threats, intimidation and violence though if they get called a man ?

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/12/2018 19:36

This is not a safe or stable person. They have no problems kicking off in a public place or in front of children. I would have called them "sir" as they look and sound unequivocally male. If I'd been working there I think I might have called the police. Very threatening behaviour.

MargueritaPink · 28/12/2018 19:35

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8074185/transgender-woman-threat-shop-worker-sir-madam/

The Sun's report. I assume all the tabloids are covering it.

birdsdestiny · 28/12/2018 19:35

They may have taken that right away from me. But I will continue to say I do not consent. Those who remove sex segregated spaces need to know they are proceeding without consent. They need to know what their actions mean.

feministfairy · 28/12/2018 19:35

TheBubGrower
Do you mean those "people" who hit women, mask up and threaten / intimidate women, stand outside places where women meet with dogs, threaten women with getting them sacked, try to silence women speaking the truth? Those... errr... people???

TheBubGrower · 28/12/2018 19:35

Yeah that's right, there are no intimidating, threatening or violent women in the world...

Let's tarnish all transgender people with the same brush and use the example of one particularly aggressive individual as an argument...

AnyFucker · 28/12/2018 19:34

Tongue firmly in the cheek and his hand firmly on his crotch, I reckon

starcrossedseahorse · 28/12/2018 19:34

Me too...waits...

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/12/2018 19:33

I'd like to see a video of an "areal woman" (your term not mine) smash up a shop because someone said "sir"....

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