Why are people so afraid?

Agree, Dangernouse

Misogyny is apparently not seen as a reputational liability for organisations. Presumably as few people really care enough to boycott a company due to misogyny. Depressing.

I saw a younger academic immediately denounce an article on male violence for being transphobic as it didn’t list transwomen killed in 2017. Turned out none were killed though....

FFS.

It’s not about talking about it at work. It is about being doxxed and then TRAs doing a pile on of complaints to your employer.

Its no good banging on about it at work and losing your job, as you will then not be in a position to change things back to the way they should be before the virtue signalling nonsense took over.

A question to ask though is:
Where are the risk assessments and what are the mitigations being put into place to protect women and girls from this new X policy?

The problem is that transphobia is now very loosely defined and has become basically whatever TRAs find offensive, with no element of objectivity. The use of the word phobia means that it is viewed on a par to racism and homophobia, meaning that many employers will be tempted to treat it the same.

Obviously I recognise that there is such a thing as genuine transphobia, but now any mildly GC view is being lumped in with genuine hate towards trans people.

As for misogyny, plus ca change- nobody cares about it. Language of cis-privilege such as that perpetuated by Sally Hines and others means that women are now seen as some sort of privileged overlords. I saw a younger academic immediately denounce an article on male violence for being transphobic as it didn’t list transwomen killed in 2017. Turned out none were killed though....

It rarely happens to people who say misogynistic things does it, that's the hypocrisy. This is all about power, not morality or justice. Men have it and we don't.

Ain’t that the truth!

It clearly does happen to people who have said e.g. racist or homophobic things on social media,

It rarely happens to people who say misogynistic things does it, that's the hypocrisy. This is all about power, not morality or justice. Men have it and we don't.

Many companies have stipulations about social media behaviour - people can, and have, been sacked due to TRAs complaining about them.

I would guess many are in a similar position to me and possibly yipyap - self-employed and dependent on commissions/sales/contracts so reputation within the community absolutely crucial.

And for those who are employed, of course it is possible to be sacked for being GC! It clearly does happen to people who have said e.g. racist or homophobic things on social media, and these days even loosely gender critical views are seen as transphobia and bigotry of the most horrible type, just as bad as those things. And as stated by PP, even if you’re not actually sacked, your working environment can be made totally inhospitable.

I think if you don’t work in an environment where GC views would be a serious issue it’s hard to imagine the extent of the opposition to them in many organisations and communities.

I don’t think GC views are as massively controversial as we think. I’ve discussed this with friends and family, who all feel surprisingly similar. When discussing it they all seemed a bit relieved, saying “I thought it was just me” (er, no, numerous polls show it’s a common view)
I think if you can explain your concerns clearly, the safeguarding of children and erosion of women’s rights, the GC argument is reasonable to most people.

Don't bring your company into disrepute.
Speak carefully.
Speak offline.
Treat everyone with respect.
Virtually no-one you work for or with actually believes in gendered souls or that humans can change sex. People are self-censoring.

I thought aid for tribunals had gone under austerity, and the unions are pro trans.

So how am I going to fight getting sacked for bringing the company into disrepute?

In social groups, families and workplaces across the country people do state the obvious to each other and it doesn't usually lead to the level of fallout that TRAs want us to think it will. Even in assumed 'woke' workplaces.
Also many trans people themselves are gender critical.
The social media companies are the reason for much of this silencing and fear. Their policies are anti-female and they permit harassment at scary levels.

It’s probably not legal to fire them for that, no. However, professions like teaching and academia can lead to people’s names being dragged through the press, petitions calling for sacking, being shunned and denounced by colleagues, and being disrespected by students/pupils. So whether you get fired or not, it sounds pretty hellish. Look at Rosa Freedman. She has never said anything phobic and in fact has advocated for trans rights in 3rd world but she has had piss thrown over her door and colleagues publicly calling her hateful. She seems very strong but many wouldn’t feel able to be.

Also if you have less than 2 years service then you have no claim for unfair dismissal. What is this magic profession that we should all retrain into to make our voices heard.

Tell them to fuck off.

Right. I have been on this for years now. And yes, you may loose friends, and you may have questions asked.

I don't watch the TV.

You just have to be certain when people ask you WHAT YOU MEAN.

It's not so hard.

Blanketbox there is also an intermediate position where employers can make it very clear that they don't like you and you won't be going anywhere else and they'd take it kindly if you'd start jobhunting. It's usually a good idea to do so in that position since you'd be out at the next reorganisation.
You choose not to retrain - whoever said this is clearly unaware of the cost of retraining, the difficulty of getting onto many professional courses (frequently requiring voluntary experience: who's paying for that then), and the difficulty of breaking into new professions at later times of life!

Floral

I’m really not convinced that legally anyone could be sacked for voicing a GC opinion publically. Of course you could be sacked illegally.

YY. I think there is potentially a discrimination claim there. Especially if the opinion is to do with sex based rights.

Slothslothsloth

my position is the same, all it takes is a few whispers and there would be no more opportunities or sales. In fact I think this has already happened, but it could be Brexit. There are no contracts, no security, and a rigid underlying orthodoxy. Everything is on the basis of being 'one of us' and it's never friendly to women's ideas unless they conform to comfortable roles.

Blanket box for those of us in Healthcare the risk is the accusation of bringing our employer and our profession into disrepute.

We risk losing our jobs, our reputations and our careers.

Agree with blanketbox. I think the fear is stronger than the reality. As long as you don't advocate harm towards trans people or deny them a service how can expressing va mildly gender critical view cost someone their job.

Because a small group of people have been successful running guerrilla campaigns to silence feminists from speaking and running sabotage their career campaign from secret Facebook accounts.

And since "nonbinary" folks are overrepresented at social media companies, social media companies are letting them bully women.

This make politicians believe that there really is a large movement out there that people other than confused young or monetarily invested folks truly believe in.

I’m really not convinced that legally anyone could be sacked for voicing a GC opinion publically. Of course you could be sacked illegally.

Because of such ladylike behaviour as in this video streamable.com/p4xjo