Miranda Yardley calls out the predator

Indication (thanks autocorrect)

Chemical castration is not simply about getting an erection. Sexual desire is removed quite considerably. Aggression is drastically reduced also.

But not, it appears, the desire to ignore women's boundaries and consent.

givenupcaring the one long term study looking at crime rates of transsexuals (who had SRS) that exists, finds that MtF transsexuals retain male crime patterns and male violent crime patterns.

So your statement unthread that there is no Indikation.... is not correct.

"Safeguarding" doesn't mean "decide on who can access which spaces depending on whether or not we feel sorry for them".

HTH.

You theorised that men who couldn't get an erection (chemical castration) aren't as much of a problem. When clearly they are.

Chemical castration is not simply about getting an erection. Sexual desire is removed quite considerably. Aggression is drastically reduced also.

A psychiatrist’s diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder was a significant factor in Lawson’s claimed loss of control following provocation before the killing.

transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/karen-lawson/

Been diagnosed with a mental illness isn't generally considered a bar on criminal behaviour.

I think you need to put yourself in the shoes of a girl or a vulnerable woman, givenupcaring. Why should a girl assume that the male person undressing alongside her is no threat simply because they say they are gender dysphoric? Why is safeguarding suddenly unimportant?

It's also interesting that you think changing the definition of woman and the consequences are not important to women.

Sorry, rape her.

Karen Jones who was asked by Lord Patel to address the houses of Parliament about their prison experience.

A killer who attempted to murder a woman in an underwear shop.

No group claiming oppression has over asked permission for those they believe are oppressing them

How are women as a class oppressing trans people as a class?

Yes, I'm talking about Jones.

There was no chemical castration. Karen White was not medicated and undiagnosed. I beleive there may be a half arsed diagnosis now but the reality is this was a blatant attempt to manipulate a system.

As far as I'm aware, Karen Jones blamed their gender dysphoria for the crime, as they wanted to be fast tracked for surgery. Indicating a genuine condition.

But whether they were diagnosed or not, is irrelevant. You theorised that men who couldn't get an erection (chemical castration) aren't as much of a problem. When clearly they are.

Karen Jones and Karen White are two different (male) people.

Bit unfair to assume guilt in the absence of evidence.

I haven't assumed guilt. The only thing is the man in my space is guilty of, is ignoring my boundaries. Of that I can be certain.

And, of course, gender dysphoria does not give men a pass in terms of behaviour. Karen Jones actually blamed their gender dysphoria for attempting to rape a woman. The fact that they couldn't get an erection, was neither here nor there. The woman said she thought she was going to die.

Jones tied her up, shoved a lemon in her mouth and attempted to rape her. The 'chemical castration' meant fuck all. *

There was no chemical castration. Karen White was not medicated and undiagnosed. I beleive there may be a half arsed diagnosis now but the reality is this was a blatant attempt to manipulate a system.

I do have absolute sympathy for TS people. It is the TS people who are being screwed by the TG mob and their sexual fetishes. Sadly quite a few TRAs claim to be TS which puts everyone in together.

There is nothing to suggest that gender dysphoric men commit crime, sexual or otherwise, at a rate less than any other man.

And nothing to suggest the opposite!

Bit unfair to assume guilt in the absence of evidence.

Women were not consulted for the 2004 GRA

This seems to be an often used argument but one I dont think is a good one to use. Women didnt ask men's permission when the suffragette movement began. Rosa Parks didnt ask permission from a white person when she made a stand over racial segregation. No group claiming oppression has over asked permission for those they believe are oppressing them because the wouldnt get it!

The issue here is about safeguarding pure and simple and the unreasonable demands being made.

The problem with sorting access into those who are dysphoric or not, yet again, takes no account of the women.

Yes. Removing sex segregation and replacing it with an undefined gender segregation disregards the wants and needs of women and girls in favour of male people.

The problem with sorting access into those who are dysphoric or not, yet again, takes no account of the women.

For want of a better word, many women are triggered by men. They don't give a fuck if those men have an illness. In fact if you asked them to give access to men with a mental illness, that could be even worse.

Some women are violently triggered, others are uncomfortable, however much that man thinks access should apply to him. It is very discomforting knowing that the man standing next to you yearns to be you. To the extent that you must accommodate it.

And, of course, gender dysphoria does not give men a pass in terms of behaviour. Karen Jones actually blamed their gender dysphoria for attempting to rape a woman. The fact that they couldn't get an erection, was neither here nor there. The woman said she thought she was going to die.

Jones tied her up, shoved a lemon in her mouth and attempted to rape her. The 'chemical castration' meant fuck all.

There is nothing to suggest that gender dysphoric men commit crime, sexual or otherwise, at a rate less than any other man.

It’s the creeping pushing of boundaries by TRAs that has hardened where I draw the line on males in female spaces and made me see that if we are to truly safeguard women and children there can be no exceptions. I used to think a few gender dysphoric transsexuals in ladies loos etc was ok if they’d had surgery. After all, it’s a penis that is used to rape women isn’t it so surely it’s fine to allow a few transsexuals in? But since falling down the transgender rabbit hole I see this is no longer the case. It’s not just a penis that’s the problem, it’s the nature of the —man— person it belongs too. Some AGPs will have “bottom surgery” in order to fulfill the ultimate part of their fetish and there is no way I want to share intimate spaces with an AGP, bepenised or otherwise.
In addition to this, TRAs have co-opted the word woman, so we changed our wording from “women only” to “female only.” Now female is being claimed too (see Sarah Brown) so that we have no way to define ourselves as separate from males. They will never allow us to define ourselves as different from them, whatever words we use they want it for their own, for validation. Women were not consulted for the 2004 GRA but I think many of us have since gone along with it because we didn’t see the harm in it, even if we felt a bit uncomfortable. So much has changed since 2004 both in terms of the TRA actions and in how we think about safeguarding. The only way now to properly maintain safe spaces and protect the vulnerable is to say no males at all, even dysphoric ones, and no, you can’t have the wors “woman” and “female” either. We won’t give up our hard one spaces and we will not allow you to harm our children. I’m sorry that that will likely have a negative effect on genuine transsexuals but I see no alternative. Anything else accepts women and children as collateral damage.

The absence of testosterone creates in effect chemical castration which if someone was dysphoric would be something you would want.

givenupcaring This is a big statement and a contentious one.

It seems a very specific perspective on the nature of gender dysphoria both in terms of sex (m/f) and focus. Many people who are trans have talked of their dysphoria and it seems much more complex and variable than you imply.

Terms such as 'chemical castration' are very loaded and I am not sure of the accuracy or appropriateness.

Is it that they identify as not being deviant predators, and you can only have one label at a time?

Seriously though, anyone who thinks that deviant predators shouldn't be allowed under the trans umbrella should have a chat with Stonewall, because the "anyone who says they're trans is" stuff is coming from them, not us.

I do think you can spin it around though and say person X is a deviant predator and is therefore choosing to coopt a transgender label because it benefits their agenda.

I don't understand this argument. Is it not possible for someone to be trans and a "perverted deviant"?

The problem now with requiring a trans identity protection to apply only to those with a diagnosed medical condition is this: diagnosed by whom? In what way?

The current system requires two diagnosis letters of gender dysphoria from medical professionals one of whom must be a gender specialist. The GIC does seem to be impartial.

How can Betts say that JV’s obsessions aren’t characteristic of TW, when if JV is a TW, and JV says they are, which is the only criterion, then those obsessions by default are a characteristic of at least one TW that we all now know of. Ditto Jess Bradley’s obsessions with exposure being a characteristic of at least one TW; Karen White’s raping and assaulting being a characteristic of at least one TW; similarly Dana Rivers’ mass murder of a lesbian family and Dana McCallum’s rape of their wife.

Being a characteristic suggests a link between transgender identity and other behaviours and that can be a tricky connection to make. I dont think you can say that because person X is transgender this explains sexually deviant behaviour. I do think you can spin it around though and say person X is a deviant predator and is therefore choosing to coopt a transgender label because it benefits their agenda.

The people you quote are perverted deviants who use the TG label to suit their own ends. They claim TG because they are perverts.

This is obviously why only the transsexualism label should remain as a medical condition.