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Miranda Yardley calls out the predator

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Nudibranch · 26/12/2018 02:25

mirandayardley.com/en/jonathan-yaniv-is-a-predator

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AlwaysTawnyOwl · 04/01/2019 12:48

This man is grooming children and is a paedophile. Why don't the Canadian authorities take action.

Datun · 04/01/2019 12:30

Professor Coid wrote that assaults on women by male transgender prisoners were the "entirely predictable consequences of transferring male prisoners with intact genitalia who claim a female identity to women's jails"

Well quite. It's brainwashing that makes people not instantly grasp this.

and that "uncertain sexual identity is a key risk factor in a man with a history of sexual assaults."

Well that's interesting. Is there a study?

indieshuffle · 04/01/2019 11:55

There is absolutely nothing that prevents a person with gender dypshoria (a mental illness) from also having any number of other conditions and being any number of other things, including being a threat to women and children. In fact co-morbidity with other MH conditions and personality disorder is common. As stated, the increased risk starts from being born male.

When the Karen Jones prison cases were current this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3373901-Gender-folly-in-womens-jails-Sunday-Times-Jeremy-Coid-Emeritus-professor-of-forensic-psychiatry-Queen-Mary-University-of-London#prettyPhoto was started in response to a letter to The Sunday Times by Professor Jeremy Coid, a forensic psychiatrist whose speciality unit researches "risk management in forensic mental health, the enhancement of the treatment of personality disorders, and the prevention of violent behaviour".

Professor Coid wrote that assaults on women by male transgender prisoners were the "entirely predictable consequences of transferring male prisoners with intact genitalia who claim a female identity to women's jails" and that "uncertain sexual identity is a key risk factor in a man with a history of sexual assaults."

And we know that not all men with a history of sexual assault will be convicted or even known to the police, but yet they are out there still, 2 and 2 not yet officially making 4.

JY is clearly has some sort of disorder and exhibits worrying behaviour. We already do know enough to be rightly concerned, except that that some transgender ideology now attempts to reframe these behaviours as innocuous, and make us believe that 2 and 2 is 5.

TimeLady · 04/01/2019 11:55

Perhaps they could start providing laser hair removal services within their own community?

Y'know, do something constructive.

ProfessoressWoland · 04/01/2019 11:24

The Action for Trans Health manifesto included their being able to learn to operate on each other.

The one that demands medical training for trans people (why can't they take the med school route)?
Why not campaign for solutions to actual problems, like the lack of third spaces for those who feel unable to use appropriate single-sex provision.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 04/01/2019 09:48

Does that include learning to operate on children without moral and ethical oversight?

Probably.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 04/01/2019 09:45

I just went to MM's twitter to see what reaction she'd had about this.

  1. She doesn't seem to have posted anything about the topic? (haven't clicked into any unrelated tweet comments though)
  1. The amount of breathtakingly inconsistent and contradictory positions she holds is enough to put her in the top ten mental gymnasts worldwide.
RedToothBrush · 04/01/2019 09:28

Does that include learning to operate on children without moral and ethical oversight?

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 04/01/2019 08:30

The Action for Trans Health manifesto included their being able to learn to operate on each other.

SIgh. To misquote Winston Churchill: never has such stupidity been shared by so few.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 03/01/2019 20:48

The Action for Trans Health manifesto included their being able to learn to operate on each other.

AspieAndProud · 03/01/2019 20:28

If you want to have the Full Woman Experience surely being on a medical waiting list as long as possible will make it feel more authentic?

RedToothBrush · 03/01/2019 20:11

TRAs: We want to remove medical gatekeeping for medical transistion.
Also TRAs: We aren't getting the healthcare we think we should be getting that may or may not be related to taking hormones, because we don't think we should be studied for the long term effects of hormones.

TRAs: We want to be treated like women
Also TRAs: We don't want to be treated like women when it comes to healthcare. We want priority.

TRAs: We should get equal access to Fertility Care on the NHS as women
Also TRAs: We think we should get hair removal treatment and breast implants on the NHS because it is important to our feminity, unlike women who can't get it.

Yeah whatever.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/01/2019 20:01

It's almost as if the women concerned about TRA overreach know more about how all this works medically than those who're not concerned...

R0wantrees · 03/01/2019 14:41

Those who transition hormonally develop breasts (obviously!) and with it comes the same risk of developing breast cancer as natal women

Males who take cross sex hormones do not develop the same breast structures as females. Breast Cancers in women (adult human females) are complex and not one type.

Males (who do not identify as transgender) can also develop breast cancer.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/breast-cancer-in-men/

The long term health consequences for people who as a consequence of being transgender have surgical and long term medical interventions are not yet realised. It seems likely that there will be some health implications specific to individual's sex and some of these may be anticipated. There is an urgent need for studies in this area.

It serves nobody well to make simplistic statements without evidence nor is it appropriate conflate the realities of women who have breast cancer with males.

Scientistagainsttranscult · 03/01/2019 14:25

There are many types of breast cancer and their natural estrogen receptors are a little different than females so they're more at risk than men who don't have HRT but not women. Another common appropriation for womens services I'm afraid. Obesity causes increased estrogen release.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/01/2019 13:58

Given that breast cancer is impacted by estrogen I'm guessing that taking massive doses of it is the reason transwomen are at an elevated risk of breast cancer compared to other males and thus may benefit from screening, rather than them needing screening because they have developed more visible breast tissue.

By the logic givenup seems to be applying women with large breasts would need lots and lots of screening and women with very small breasts wouldn't be much at risk. Which I'm fairly sure is not the case.

givenupcaring · 03/01/2019 13:16

*What healthcare? Because I read this as basic services - GP access, dental care access etc. If trans people are genuinely unable to obtain basic care (such as getting a GP appointment to discuss a regular issue) then that’s not ok.

But I can’t see that as happening. So what does ‘basic healthcare’ mean in this context.*

There is only one area from my knowledge where there is a major problem and that is in breast screening.

Those who transition hormonally develop breasts (obviously!) and with it comes the same risk of developing breast cancer as natal women however currently the NHS does not offer to trans.

starcrossedseahorse · 03/01/2019 12:48

Already a couple of threads discussing this.

R0wantrees · 03/01/2019 12:46

new thread started to prevent derail of this important one:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3468135-Maria-Miller-MP-repositioning-or-U-turn-re-Transgender-Equality-Report-and-GRA-self-id-reforms

Bowlofbabelfish · 03/01/2019 12:46

basic healthcare “taken for granted” by the public is out of reach to trans people.

What healthcare? Because I read this as basic services - GP access, dental care access etc. If trans people are genuinely unable to obtain basic care (such as getting a GP appointment to discuss a regular issue) then that’s not ok.

But I can’t see that as happening. So what does ‘basic healthcare’ mean in this context.

I am continually frustrated at the toothlessness of the media here - when someone makes a statement like that, you clarify and query, Paxman style if needed.

“Basic healthcare? Can you say what you mean by that?”

You don’t let it go. Because that then feeds the rhetorical technique they use, which is to drop a statement like thatvin as if it is gospel truth then build the argument from there. Question the foundation of the argument - this is surely basic journalism/interviewer 101.

R0wantrees · 03/01/2019 12:34

In my view Maria Miller is backtracking as fast as she can whilst trying not to draw attention to what she is doing.

'Today's Independent: 'Government 'mishandling' trans rights reform by failing to tackle health inequalities, former Tory minister says'
(extract)
"A former Conservative cabinet minister has accused the government of “mishandling” reforms needed to improve the health and quality of life of trans people.

Maria Miller, the chair of the commons women and equalities committee – and equalities minister under David Cameron, said basic healthcare “taken for granted” by the public is out of reach to trans people.

This is down to the government’s failure to act on recommendations made by her committee three years ago, the MP for Basingstoke said.

The committee is due to publish a new report on the care of LGBT+ people in the coming weeks but Ms Miller has already warned services are “going backwards quickly” – with trans people among the worst affected." (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/trans-rights-reform-lgbt-gender-recognition-conservatives-maria-miller-theresa-may-a8707691.html

HuffPost:
'Senior Tory Maria Miller Says Transgender Issues 'Mishandled' By Government
Ex-minister says self-ID reform "not as important" as basic healthcare.'
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/transgender-issues-mishandled-by-government_uk_5c2c9408e4b05c88b70433ca

thread re recent BBC segment about provision of fertility services for people who are transgender:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3465629-the-bbc-have-just-peak-transed-the-nation

Miranda Yardley calls out the predator
birdsdestiny · 03/01/2019 12:14

In my view Maria Miller is backtracking as fast as she can whilst trying not to draw attention to what she is doing.

R0wantrees · 03/01/2019 12:12

No, the GOVERNMENT had a responsibility to consult women, not the trans lobby.

See also with regards the more recent 2016 Women's & Equalities report as discussed in Janice Turner's interview with Maria Miller MP:

(extract)

Many of its recommendations, to redress hate crime against transgender people, to improve access to NHS services and stop discrimination in employment (as seen in President Trump’s cruel, summary banning of up to 6,600 transgender US military personnel), are widely supported. But one proposal that seeks to change the very definition of “man” and “woman” has far-reaching implications.

Justine Greening, the equalities minister, announced her support this week for changes to the 2004 Gender Recognition Act, echoing calls by Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader. At present a person who wishes to change gender legally must be 18, demonstrate they have lived in their chosen gender for two years, have a diagnosis of “gender dysphoria” (a mental disorder whereby a person feels they don’t feel they belong in their biological sex) and be questioned by an expert panel.

The heart of the controversy is the view, espoused by Ms Miller’s report, that switching gender should instead merely be a matter of “self-definition”. A man need only “declare” that he is a woman. Your gender is what you feel it to be: there would be no requirement even to take female hormones or have surgery — about 70 per cent of trans women still have intact male genitals — or even “present” as a woman to be legally female. (Some older trans people are troubled by this, believing that it trivialises and delegitimises their struggles to live in their non-birth gender.)

Furthermore, if the law changes, “gender identity” is likely to become a protected characteristic under equalities legislation: ie if you deny a person is a woman or a man when they claim to be, you are guilty of discrimination or hate crime.

When Ms Miller, 53, released her report in January last year she was surprised that criticism came not from conservatives but, as she put it, “women who purport to be feminists”. This may be because feminists, well versed in sexual politics and long-time supporters of gay rights, are among the few people who can penetrate the arcane, confusing terminology.

Many see potential loopholes and conflicts of rights that put women at risk, giving men access to rare female-only spaces such as single-sex wards, changing rooms and domestic violence refuges, designed to keep them safe and private. It is these concerns I put to Ms Miller in her Basingstoke constituency." (continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text

Professor Kathleen Stock's analysis of the serious flaws in the inquiry and report in speech at House of Lords Oct 10th 2018
(extract)
"As I hope is clear to everyone by now — thanks to campaigns like that of A Woman’s Place and Fair Play for Women — when it comes to developing public policy around legally changing sex, there are several sets of interests at stake, and not just one.

To put it in a nutshell: if you’re going to make it very easy for members of the biological male sex, socialised as men, to get the word ‘female’ written on their birth certificates, you are going to get at least two problems, simply put:

· more opportunities for some males to harass females, because now males can be more easily legally treated as females, and so have greater access to females.

and

· an undermining of the positive actions which have historically promoted equality of opportunity for females; because now some males can ‘self-identify as females’ and so get access to these opportunities (all-women shortlists being the obvious example).

You are also going to get a lot of confusion for questioning, gender-non-conforming, children, working out who they are in a world in which ‘changing sex’ is now apparently easy.

So the question for all of us is: how to balance these competing interests?

I want to talk about how, in attempting to answer that question, public organisations are being misleadingly advised, sometimes with harmful results." (continues)

medium.com/@kathleenstock/womens-place-talk-full-text-house-of-lords-oct-10th-2018-b1f3d70c4559

Scientistagainsttranscult · 03/01/2019 11:56

Userschmoozer it's unbelievable isn't it. Why can't women just say no to men when they're our rights and that be that. I've had many a "well you have unisex at home, shower naked, sleep naked next to your other half" as if that justifies it. What next, if you have sex it justifies any man to have sex with you? They want to regress us back and people are letting them. The apologists tend to be TRAs in disguise so just ignore their opinions.