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Miranda Yardley calls out the predator

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Nudibranch · 26/12/2018 02:25

mirandayardley.com/en/jonathan-yaniv-is-a-predator

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AngryAttackKittens · 27/12/2018 00:07

You'd get the patient sigh first, and then a lecture about kindness, and then if you continued expressing concern you'd be called a bigot and told you were causing suicides. Because that's how healthy societies operate!

indieshuffle · 27/12/2018 00:03

Just stomach churning. What the hell is going on.

"this isn't a characteristic of trans women". Being a transwoman, no matter which definition is used, does not mean that a transwoman cannot also be a paedophile.

Yes Ester, obsessed but not as much as JY. Very telling some of these comments.

Lost for words really. I'd hate to be a Canadian girl right now. How would you be received if you tried to report this creepy behaviour? Prob be told to be kind and tolerate it Envy Vom.

OlennasWimple · 26/12/2018 23:32

NothingOnTellyAgain

Excellent point. I was trying to think what JY has done (that we know of) that has crossed the line into criminal activity, in response to all the "why isn't this pervert locked up already?" posts. Even that selfie in the loos with a queue of girls behind him isn't actually illegal, just creepy AF

AngryAttackKittens · 26/12/2018 23:24

Well, yes, of course he's flustered. It's probably starting to dawn on him that he's not going to be able to intimidate a Kiwi who gives no fucks about being called mean into helping him to hide evidence of his various dodgy activities.

In fact Canadians are at a massive disadvantage here given how successfully he's muzzled the Canadian media, so the more international this story goes the better.

(It would also be nice if someone in the Canadian media would show that they still have a functioning spine.)

GrinitchSpinach · 26/12/2018 22:56

I listened to most of the KF livestream. It was...interesting. It highlighted JY's greatest hits in the form of screencaps etc, and yes, JY seemed very flustered to be called on the telephone. Wielding power to shut down speech through largely automated copyright complaints on the internet is not the same as being confronted with a reaction from the live person you're threatening. (And despite the reputation of his site Null the KF proprietor was very polite and didn't, I think, cross any lines during the very brief phone conversation.)

The KF community uses a lot of language most of us here would find extremely offensive. And yet, as I understand it, the right to free speech is precisely the right to utter offensive speech, so long as not a direct incitation to violence. And it is a limitation on the powers of government to decide what is acceptable and unacceptable speech. I remember learning back in high school about the Skokie case as the classic example of free speech law (in the US, not everywhere, clearly). I still believe that it is a more powerful response to offensive speech to counter it with our own ideas and arguments than to shout #nodebate and no-platform people.

That's a long way of saying: of course I wish there were a place on the internet that would keep these receipts on anti-woman activists without all the slurs. But there isn't really, is there?

p.s. Null excerpted, at length, Peachyoghurt's video about JY, as well as Benjamin Boyce's video. That is sunlight, and it is a Good Thing.

GrinitchSpinach · 26/12/2018 22:35

Thread from August in which HH admits to going after advertisers on Feminist Current (Meghan Murphy's site) and proposes doing the same to Mumsnet:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350626-TERFblocker-inciting-TAs-to-go-after-the-advertisers#prettyPhoto

Yambabe · 26/12/2018 22:18

Hailey doesn't have a fucking clue how an actual vagina works does she?

AngryAttackKittens · 26/12/2018 21:39

Going back to Hailey Heartless's comments about teaching women excellent hygiene in the light of Hailey's friend Yaniv's tampon obsession, what exactly does Hailey want to teach women how to keep clean?

(So many misogynistic undertones there even if you overlook the other red flags.)

AngryAttackKittens · 26/12/2018 21:38

That could be a campaign, eh? "Give women the right to hang up"

NothingOnTellyAgain · 26/12/2018 20:59

"Looks like Yaniv hung up.

Girls can't hang up, Yaniv. They can't escape you in their spaces.
If women tell you "no" and try to hang up, you sue them."

THIS THIS THIS X 98MILLION.

Excellent post.

ShotsFired · 26/12/2018 20:53

I heard the phone call. It was funny. JY was totally spooked that a real life person real life called him.

KiwiFarms: Is that Jonathan Yaniv?
JY: : its Jessica
KW: [some chat about the desist notice and fair usage]
JY: [Bluster about lawyers]...good day!

(however the segment where KF was reading out his sex toy review was just vomit-inducing. He is a basket case of fucked-upness)

ProfessoressWoland · 26/12/2018 20:52

So what's the average woke person supposed to think - is JY just a woman with a keen interest in menstrual hygiene, or is JY not a proper transwoman because all transwomen are harmless and vulnerable?

HandsOffMyRights · 26/12/2018 20:40

Looks like Yaniv hung up.

Girls can't hang up, Yaniv. They can't escape you in their spaces.
If women tell you "no" and try to hang up, you sue them.

HandsOffMyRights · 26/12/2018 20:37

Just been tweeted that Kiwi Farms is phoning Yaniv live
:
twitter.com/Cave_Art_Films/status/1078026132618989569?s=20

HandsOffMyRights · 26/12/2018 20:21

I only got to listen to some of the live stream - it was a bit haphazard. Will have to find a summary on Twitter.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/12/2018 20:17

I'm looking up this Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv guy, all I have to say at the moment is that as a trans woman I've never been this obsessed with 10 year olds having periods

So, still obsessed but not to the same extent? This is why good grammar is important, kids!

HomeStar · 26/12/2018 20:09

OH SHIT I JUST REALISED SOMETHING.

All those women who are patiently tolerating the questions and perversity in the screenshots. It's not just because they are young teenage girls he's harassing (although most of them are, AFAIK.) A lot of the time it's because they think he's an FTM trans person not an MTF trans person, and he really has periods like he keeps claiming he does, and that he's very confused or sheltered. They feel sorry for him.

There are some screenshots of women being very confused when he tells them he's MTF. I didn't see them till a long time after the first screenshots were leaked, so it never occurred to me that it was very useful context.

Ugh. This makes it even worse.

FlyingOink · 26/12/2018 20:03

See, I was all ready to comment on the madness in Canada and then I read about Mighty Almighty ... Demanding female officers did the strip search. Having to be held down by eleven guards. Slashing people's faces in prison. Being in prison permanently but for a series of smaller crimes. What a total waste of time, effort and money. What are the chances that person will ever do anything good or worthwhile? Hopefully it's an undiagnosed mental illness and can be treated - but I suspect that person is just pure evil.
Incidentally Paris Green is toxic. It's literally a rat poison, which is the first result when you Google Paris Green.

ShotsFired · 26/12/2018 19:45

I tried watching it when it started but the stream was terrible so I clicked off. It seems to be a little better now?

silentcrow · 26/12/2018 19:34

Gosh, KF is an interesting little corner of the internet, isn't it? Fascinating how, despite the difference in approach/background/political outlook/part of the world, they come to most of the same conclusions via evidence as we do. Reading the JY thread in one go is chilling, you can see the escalation coming a mile off.

Hi Farmers. Grin

WomanOfTime · 26/12/2018 19:25

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 26/12/2018 19:17

why has it been deleted?

It had a poem about Yaniv.

Poppyred85 · 26/12/2018 19:08

I’ve just gone back to the first page of this thread to look for the kiwi farms link and I think it’s been deleted. There’s a deleted post by DoctorTwo which MNHQ says broke talk guidelines. If I’m right and that was a post with the kiwi farms link why has it been deleted?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 26/12/2018 19:03

"criminal laws are in place to stop anyone of any gender behaving in a threatening manner in a toilet "

The other point with this is that it ignores the large range of behaviours that men can and do deploy to make women and girls feel uncomfortable / embarrassed / threatened but does not cross the line to illegal.

It's not illegal to stare at people
It's not illegal to stand too close to people and strike up conversation with them
It's not illegal to ask a girl in the ladies if she uses tampons
etc and so on

This idea that it's all or nothing ignores the vast amount of behaviour that makes us feel unsettled / unsafe but when described sounds "nothing-y" probably because fof a combination of not having decent language to describe it and society saying that we have to put up with a fair amount of shit as that's our job as women / girls.

And this is exactly why we have single sex facilities in the first place. To get away from the men with the too-many-times-up-and-down eyes and the insistence on personal conversation and the hands in the pockets what are they jangling? and the undercurrent of possible violence that makes most women and girls deal very carefully with these types of men rather than just telling them to fuck off and leave us alone like we want to.

deepwatersolo · 26/12/2018 18:57

Miranda is one GC treasure. FlowersXmas Smile

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