Looks like the National Lottery and Stonewall have picked a side in the cotton ceiling debate

I see on Gilligan’s a Twitter thread that there is no attempt to engage with the argument, just the usual manipulative shit about trans children committing suicide as a result of his article. They really are pathetic.

Just to pick up on a comment from page 1 (sorry):

I'd like to know if all these fetishists educational representatives/stonewall champions who go into schools have even been DBS checked for starters.

As I understand it (booking speakers for school is part of my remit), a DBS clearance is not required for any person coming in to deliver training or as a speaker because they are never left alone with minors. They must be accompanied at all times by a member of staff, even to eg go to the staff room at lunch or to the loo.

You could see this as a loophole; I can see it from another perspective in that the speaker is never left in sole charge and therefore responsible for safety and behaviour - no visitor should ever be left in that position (imagine if a fire alarm went off and you'd never been to that school before). It apparently went on a lot with teachers just sodding off to do their marking, but the absence of a DBS check for that visitor means there must be someone from the school always there. It should also mean that a speaker can't be left alone and able to say anything they like without challenge. How well that works in practice...who can say.

Gilligan's Twitter thread has some predictable comments but also useful mentions of Morgan Page's involvement of the cotton ceiling workshops:

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1076655725508771840

As someone pointed out on Twitter, it is perhaps interesting that both Stonewall and Mermaids were applying for "small" grants, just below the threshold that would trigger additional scrutiny...

This is not necessarily sinister, it just fits with the upper limits that programmes such as Reaching Communities, which is their general fund, are advertised at.

About that Stonewall media statement... If there are inaccuracies in the article, why would Stonewall not use their press statement to set out clearly what they are?

Also a particularly troubling aspect of that tweet is when you link it in with Page's writing, which is filled with jealousy of FTM trans people and resentment of MTF trans people not being considered attractive in their community....
and then they're facilitating workshops which allow older MTFs to prey on young and vulnerable FTMs via BDSM relationships? It's like they're facilitating their own revenge fantasy.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

augh oh my god. I hope that story gets traction. There is no way in hell this Page person should be put in a position of any power over people.

I also noticed in Page's bio they are a Santera, a priestess of
Santería. Everyone's entitled to their own spiritual beliefs so I didn't want to say anything, but IME many people who style themselves shamans or something similar, who work with plant medicines and with people while they're in vulnerable psychological states, are power-tripping creeps. (Not all shamans, naturally.) The combination of "Santera" and "cotton ceiling workshop" looked to me like a horrifying red flag parade. I bet if people really dig into this person's background, a long history of similar behavior to that described in this tweet will become apparent.

But the Big Lottery isn't allowed to fund political activity. It says so in their rules.

I suspect that Stonewall does not understand that what they are doing is political lobbying.

Stonewall and Mermaids may have persuaded BLF that rules are a transphobic social construct.

But the Big Lottery isn't allowed to fund political activity. It says so in their rules.

There will be a charity, LGBT and Intersectional feminism backlash.

Nobody decent wants bullies foisting trans ideology on children.

Nobody decent wants a cotton ceiling rape culture.

Nobody decent wants Eugenics.

Old style feminists and lesbians will be seen as OK because they stood against a dangerous movement, the right-wing need FPFW as much as FPFW need the right-wing press.

Leaving this here:

That will be why the paper has pulled the comments section. Presumably people have been "clarifying" the nature of comments, maybe with examples and questions about safeguarding?

It will be good to see Stonewall have to justify how someone with open accusations about employing a paedophile is an appropriate person to be a charity adviser on Trans issues? Are they not aware of the massive scrutiny of the charity sector for repeatedly ignoring safeguarding issues?

Knicknack Seconded. My bed and my body are not penis inclusive. Stonewall can fuck right off with its misogynistic rapey lesbophobia.

she plays a vital role every day to build acceptance without exception for LGBT people

Meaning lesbians having sex with "lesbian" trans women...

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/media-centre/media-statement/statement/stonewall-statement-sunday-times-article

I'm always amused by how willy nilly looks like it's being used as deliberate irony.

It if mermaids is being reviewed can this one be reviewed too? At least is is bringing these lobby groups way out into open, where they won’t be able to push their agendas willy nilly backed by fawning fans.

Unfuckingbelievable.

However they can fund Stonewall to 'educate' all they like. They can leaflet, they can lecture, they can hold classes on strategies to pressure unwilling homosexual women into unwanted sex, they can insist the word 'lesbian' means whatever they currently want it to mean, they can celebrate homophobia until the cows come home and send me t shirts with 'you're a very bad lesbian who has biological essentialism issues and does not understand that of course a lesbians penis will be different to a man's penis'.

Will still not be having sex with anyone with a penis. Ever. Because: lesbian.

End of.

I don't know where Ontario is with trans nuttery and self ID, except that they have it, but I really think this all needs looking into.

Now I’m wondering how this godawful Page character, who ran cotton ceiling workshops in Ontario and is slated to manage this grant, got introduced to Stonewall.

It’s probably just a coincidence, or maybe a result of a chummy networking party, but I’d still like to know how hands on the Ontario ownership of Camelot is.

As someone pointed out on Twitter, it is perhaps interesting that both Stonewall and Mermaids were applying for "small" grants, just below the threshold that would trigger additional scrutiny...

“Basically the pitch was that public donations to LGBT organisations have gone down dramatically since equal marriage, so the lottery needs to step in,” said one person who was there.

Well, who would’ve been the main contributors to LGB charities? That would be precisely the people LGB charities have abandoned once the T muscled in, wouldn’t it.

The National Lottery is funding a political campaign to extend trans privileges at the expense of women's rights.

Stonewall isn't a Good Cause, it is a lobby group. It's so-called training, along with the ploy of creating 'champions', is more like propaganda to further an agenda.

Fuck this shit. It is sinister.

I have just remembered that Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan owns Camelot, who run the lottery. In the past I thought "oh Canadian teachers, how nice", but seeing how Canada has gone with self ID etc recently, I am now questioning it completely.

The fund is jointly sponsored by the Ontario government according to Wikipedia.

I don't know where Ontario is with trans nuttery and self ID, except that they have it, but I really think this all needs looking into.

They worry about Russia having influence over UK politics - I never thought we have to worry about Canada :(

www.otpp.com Ontraio Teachers Pension Plan

www.gov.uk/government/people/jeremy-wright

Jeremy Wright as Dept for Culture Media and Sport Secretary of State is also a lawyer so seems good to contact as he will hopefully be able to understand the legal issues around women’s concerns.