Patrick Strudwick on why feminism should include TW

Blah blah women are sexist bastards oppressing women though expectations around looks if they don't accept all transwomen as women in the same way that they accept transwomen who pass (but then they don't know they aren't women so WTF?).

Women saying men don't look like women as soon as they say "I'm a woman" are upholding the damaging beuaty standards for women WHAT TOTAL CUNTS THEY ARE.

"Trans women are capable of sexual violence just as any other group is, she said, but painting them as predators when they are routinely victims is unjust. And because perceived threat is not the same as actual threat, policies should be “based on actual levels of risk, which are low”. The risk of being raped by one’s husband, by contrast, is inordinately higher, which is why this furore is an odd paradox for Phipps."

Penis people should be locked in women's prisons on a self ID basis (hello karen white) because women get raped a lot by their husbands?

Yes that's a great argument.

OK skimming how

After saying that white women who are feminists and don't want unexpected dick in the Guides sleeping quarters are VERY RACIST

We move immediately on to accuse us of being Nazis. Lots of chat about Eugenics.

Yes women have been at the forefront of all genocides haven't we. Always a woman to blame, somehow.

My own research area is violence against women and girls, and we know that trans women are more vulnerable to violence, harassment, and everyday abuse than other groups of women".

What does that sentence actually mean - is more vulnerable = actually experiences more violence. Is it actual physical violence or offending my feelings violence.

Any which way it still doesn't make them women - unless your definition of woman is simply a person who experiences the most violence...

Oh lol I read on and that is exactly the justification she uses.
These people read from a script:

"She cited several examples of white feminists excluding women from ethnic minorities, but began with the earliest. “In the US, we had the famous march on Washington for women’s rights in 1914 and the suffrage organisers did not want black women marching with them because they weren’t marching for their rights.”"

"Except Emejulu is not baffled at all. For her, many feminists who oppose trans rights also ignore the rights of black, Asian, and other ethnic minority women. These exclusions are related, she said. “This has always been the dark heart of white, feminist politics: a jealous guarding of the boundaries of who gets to be a woman.”"

And now we're heading into territory that is really fucking insulting.

I think this one also comes from the USA and is about the suffragettes who excluded black women.

To take that and extend it across all feminists (where? not sure) is bizarre and frankly a bit insulting.

YES it is true that no UK feminists who are concerned about the direction of trans activism give a fuck about the plight of girls around the world - being raped, beaten, not being educated, being kidnapped, trafficked, all the rest of it, if their skin is now white. I mean fuck off with this shit. Who believes this? It's getting very tired now I'm surprised they are still trotting it out.

They assert that British women who don't like the direction of trans activism and are feminists DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BLACK WOMEN ARE FEMALE I mean it's preposterous.

Never heard of Patrick til now but if he identifies as a heterosexual male (I know nothing about him), would he accept transwomen as potential (even, if he's attached, hypothetical) partners?

That's where a lot of the male trans 'allies' fall down with their TWAW/ no difference from 'cis' women assertions.

"“The goal,” she said, referring to feminism throughout history, “was always to say that biology was not destiny because that was precisely the argument that people used to keep women in private spaces: that women with their ‘smaller brains’ were ‘prone to fainting’ and are not fit to be in public spaces, such as politics and the workplace.”"

Total rewrite of why women need some spaces to be man free.

This one came from teh USA and has been propagated quite nicely.

Letting men into our bogs and sports and prisons and hospital wards and so on is essential for the feminist movement. They only exist because women are seen as weak. Women are strong, therefore should prove it by taking their clothes off in front of men they don't know...

"If at birth it is clear the baby is intersex (perhaps because their genitals are ambiguous), a doctor decides which sex the infant should be called, or which sex that baby should be moulded into. "

Not true these days in the countries they are talking about (UK / USA).

After decades of work by intersex people.

Who are being misrepresented and approrpiated.

Oh wow then it does go on to assert that humans (and therefore presumably all other mammals) are NOT sexually dimorphic but it's all a bit complicated and we dont' understand it yet.

Essentially anyone who thinks sperm + egg = baby is a bit stupid and backward.

Oh lol

"sex, which they (feminists) argue is entirely biological"

I'd have thought it was biologists who "argue" this?
Or, observe it?

But NO the fact that mammals come in two sexes that are both required for reproduction etc etc is a TERF CONSTRUCT.

"My own research area is violence against women and girls, and we know that trans women are more vulnerable to violence, harassment, and everyday abuse than other groups of women".

I would like to understand more about this in the UK. While I agree that gender nonconforming people (both men and women) get a shitload of abuse, I'd like to understand:

How this works with self ID (men ID as women but dont' really bother with anything else apart from maybe wear a bit of nailvarnish) - are they really at massive risk?
How the absolute deluge of stories in the press every day about women being brutally murdered works with this > in the last couple of weeks I've read of a pregnant woman being shot in the stomach with a crossbow, an arrest over a little girl being raped and murdered, and a woman tortured and murdered by a man who got 3 years for it. Those are just the stories that I remember as they were so upsetting, there were many more. I think statements that any man who declares himself a woman is automatically at extreme risk of violence is debatable? And minimises the atrocities committed against women every day.

I think the academic believers must be panicking about the shaky ground their research is on.

Yes. They made up a ridiculous ideology. And now it's meeting the brick wall of reality and they're struggling to retrofit. And only they can't see it.

I haven't managed to get very far

So far have hit this:

"Their arguments, set against the wider conversation about trans and women’s rights,"

Trans rights come ahead of womens rights in a supposed article about feminism

And then this

"Any feminist worth his or her salt should be advocating for the most marginalised"

Only? Or as well as?
There is always someone in the world more worse off than you.
This is the arguement made to feminists that feminism should be about "equality for everyone" and focussing on things that, say, impact women in the UK shuould not be the primary concern as long as someone (male) somewhere is having a bad time.

I mean lecturing women about feminism makes him look like a total prick, I wouldn't want that to be the first internet hit about me.

It'll be like water off a duck's back, Bernard .

Like his pal at The Guardian LOJ, PS identifies as right on this subject (right as in correct, not right politically obvs).

That's all any of the rest of us need to know and we should all be amending our wrongthink accordingly.

He can get tae fuck.

Oh yes, a man telling women what to think, feel and do isn’t exactly novel. How fucking arrogant!

Behold a man has arrived to mansplain feminism.

I dunno who the fuck Patrick Strudwick is (literally. I also figuratively don't know who the fuck he is to tell women about feminism).

I googled him and the top hit was this thread, so things aren't going so well for Patrick on the internet right now.

I mean lecturing women about feminism makes him look like a total prick, I wouldn't want that to be the first internet hit about me.

I think the academic believers must be panicking about the shaky ground their research is on.

If people are openly laughing at the ridiculousness of it they can't be too happy.

Femenism!

I really wish those like PS would get it through their stupidass PoMo-Queer theory-addled-woke-heids Vicky, it's beyond tiresome now..

I couldn’t be arsed reading it. It will be the usual word salad interspersed with why can’t women be nicer/know there place.

My feminism is about women - the cunty variety.

Feminism centres women and girls. The actual cunty ones. The end.

Correct.

Cycle path and now meninism 😀
Meninism- just need some academics to pipe up about how transphobic men are if they don’t include trans women. The clue is in the name- me, men,me, men ....
Feminism- for females.