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Normalisation of sexual fetishism

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QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 09:30

Just reading this story about a man with infantilism abusing a child

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sick-abuser-nappy-fetish-jailed-15579002

There are NHS doctors such as Dr. Christina Richards (transgender, gender clinic psychologist) who have written books www.amazon.co.uk/Sexuality-Gender-Mental-Health-Professionals/dp/085702843X?tag=mumsnetforum-21 to say all such fetishes are perfectly healthy, not paraphilic or to be judged. Indeed the phrase 'kink shaming' is used against those who suggest that role-playing paedophilia or similar activities is harmful.

What do we think about the 'thou shalt not judge' culture of saying that all sexual behaviour is a matter for those practising it?

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QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 10:38

What do you mean by 'perfectly normal sexual fetishes', ravenlover? According to the NHS psychologist in my OP, daddy dom little girl & nappy fetishes are 'perfectly normal'.

However both clearly have paedophilic leanings, even if no children are (yet) involved.

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QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 10:32

I think btw some fetishes are obviously harmful. For example infantilists recruit teenage boys via supposed incontinence support sites such as ADISC. From there they are in some cases abused by adult paedophiles.

In addition, walking round in public with a nappy for fun is inconvenient and disruptive to employability etc. Not to mention the unpleasant spectacle of things like DD/LG, master/slave being played out in public in front of non-consenting spectators, children etc. It's no different to playing porn on the bus

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QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 10:29

AIR the right to physically injure people during sex was a battle fought by men in the 80s or 90s

e.g. R V Brown en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Brown

You will still find articles such as

www.legalcheek.com/lc-journal-posts/its-not-the-judiciarys-place-to-stop-people-having-kinky-sex/

The logical extension of gay men injuring each other consensually is women being killed and oops it was 'not the judiciarys place to stop people having kinky sex'

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Bowlofbabelfish · 21/12/2018 10:28

I'd go so far as to say that people should be ashamed of sexual kinks involving babies and children.

Agree. People are of course free to do what they want with other consenting adults in private. At the same time, anyone fetishising children I think IS a danger to children, whether directly or via leading to such fetishisation becoming normalised.

We seem to be dead set on removing shame as a thing. But shame, like pain, serves a purpose. Not all shame is bad.

TimeLady · 21/12/2018 10:24

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feministfairy · 21/12/2018 10:20

AngryAttackKittens says it better than I can.

I'd go so far as to say that people should be ashamed of sexual kinks involving babies and children. This ought to be totally unacceptable as it contributes to the sexualising of children. It is no surprise that this is the second case in recent months where men with a baby / nappy fetish have been jailed for sexually abusing children.

The safety of babies and children is being compromised by porn advocates and that's wrong.

AngryAttackKittens · 21/12/2018 10:10

It's a shifting of the Overton window, and the goal seems to be to create an environment in which women are assumed to be likely to consent to acts that even a few years ago would have been considered rather extreme and not at all common.

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/12/2018 10:00

I think it is harmful - because it’s played out in public. What two consenting adults do in private is up to them. When it’s done in public it’s assault because others don’t consent.

But there are a few issues I think are causing concern recently.

  1. Porn is everywhere and so much more accessible than it has ever been. That means more porn, reaching more people at a younger age. So not adults doing things they understand and consent to but kids, who are exposed to stuff far too young. That is resulting in a generation of young people who are getting a lot of exposure to what we’re once deemed extreme acts, before their brains are mature
  1. Porn is getting more extreme in the mainstream. Acts like choking, anal etc are now seen as totally mainstream. This is shifting the window of what’s acceptable.

This is leading to cases where women have been killed by a man they’ve literall met that day and the man has used the defence of ‘wanted tough sex, went a bit wrong m’lud.’
Countless experiments have shown that vanishingly few women wi accept an offer of sex from a strange man but the reverse is not true. But the defence is being used more and more.
There has been a particularly distressing case this week, where the injuries indicted could only have been done by a prolonged attacked, with significant force. The perp did not call for medical attention.

The media have run stories smearing the victim as liking it rough with the implication she asked for it. But the law says that no one can consent to being killed or severely injured. So why did this man get three years for a brutal killing with a sexual motive? because paraphilic and violent sexual behaviour is becoming public and normalised.

knittedjest · 21/12/2018 09:53

That fetish is just a convenient mask to cover up their sexual attraction. Not fetishes are harmful. There is nothing harmful about two consenting adults who for whatever reason enjoy pissing on one another for example. So let them crack on I say. I do believe your fetish should be kept firmly behind the bedroom door however.

NoBirthdayHugs · 21/12/2018 09:49

Not all fetishes are harmful. This man was a paedophile and that is what was harmful about his behaviour, not the infantilism.

Some people with a fetish will also practice harmful and illegal sexual behaviours such as paedophilia or non-consensual sexual activity. Some people without a fetish practice these illegal sexual behaviours too. This man has a fetish and is also a paedophile - it’s the paedophilia and involvement of a child which makes this an abhorrent crime, the fetish in itself isn’t newsworthy.

Most people with fetishes only involve consenting adults (if they involve anyone else at all) and keep their fetish private, just like most people without fetishes only involve consenting adults in their sexual activity and keep their sex lives private.

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/12/2018 09:38

It’s shifting the window of what’s acceptable

The end result is cases like the man who killed a woman and got a paltry three years for it by using ‘rough sex gone wrong’ as a defence

VickyEadie · 21/12/2018 09:32

Yeah...it's another of the 'drip, drip, drip' tactics some of these people are using to 're-educate' people into allowing them to do what they like. Add in the erosion of safeguarding and we know - we see them.

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