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******TRIGGER WARNING Powerful message from a midwife (re. the murder of Natalie Connolly) TRIGGER WARNING ******

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WTFIsAGleepglorp · 20/12/2018 20:34

Relax, it's not a trans thread.

It's about the horrific murder of Natalie Connolly.

twitter.com/ThatMidwife/status/1075808892477693952?s=19

Who's writing to the Attorney General?

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gluteustothemaximus · 23/12/2018 13:02

Good article here.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/23/prosecutors-thought-no-jury-would-accept-natalie-connoolly-was-murdered

Petition on change.org has only got 275 signatures Sad

R0wantrees · 22/12/2018 20:21

article by Julian Norman (Barrister)
FiLiA
concludes:
"There has been much said about the judge's sentencing remarks, which can be found here [LINK]. However, in the context of the sentencing guidelines [LINK], little argument can be made. The judge's job is to sentence "without fear or favour, affection or ill will" and however much ill will we as a society may bear Broadhurst for the entirely avoidable death of a woman, the judge cannot depart from the guidelines unless there are truly exceptional circumstances - and even then, would likely be appealed. The only part at which a lawyer might raise an eyebrow is the full one third discount for a guilty plea when that plea came so late.

And yet there is no way that this sentence appears fair, just or proportionate. A woman was brutally assaulted and died, due to a man's inactions in calling emergency services which could have saved her, and his actions which included not just beating her, but also inserting a bottle of carpet cleaner into her vagina, causing the ruptured artery when he broke it to get it out. The judge noted that she was so drunk as to be staggering and talking 'gobbledygook' before passing out: the decision by the CPS to offer no evidence on the assault by penetration sits very uneasily with the comments on her state of intoxication. The sentencing remarks appear to take Broadhurst's evidence of her desire for these activities at face value - her evidence, as always where a woman dies, is not available. Would it be too much to assume that women never consent to death?

Perhaps it is time for a separate sentencing guideline on male violence to women. This could cover sexual violence and domestic abuse, from common assault to murder. While women die at the hands of men at the rate of two a week, we cannot ignore this any longer, and we cannot pretend that just because an apparently lenient sentence is lawful, or even textbook in its application of the guidelines, that it is acceptable. Women deserve more. Natalie Connolly deserved more.

If you believe the brutal murder of a woman deserves more than 3 years, 8 months in prison, write to the Attorney General to demand an appeal. You have only 28 days to register this complaint. You can send a letter by post to:

Attorney General
Geoffrey Cox QC
5-8 The Sanctuary
london
SW1P 3JS

or via e mail to:
[email protected]

If you need any help with wording, please cut, paste, amend and make the following your own and please share:

FAO Geoffrey Cox

I am writing to you to review the sentence of just 40 months of John Broadhurst at Birmingham Crown Court, following the brutal death of Natalie Connolly. Not only did she receive over 40 injuries, but she was callously left to die when medical intervention could have saved her life.

The so called mitigation of ‘rough sex gone wrong’ sets a dangerous precedent to excuse extreme violence against women. I therefore believe that this sentence is unduly lenient. I ask that this case is referred to the Court of Appeal."

filia.org.uk/news/2018/12/21/john-broadhurst

Iused2BanOptimist · 22/12/2018 20:05

Have just listened to Harriet Hartman on woman's hour regarding this. Interesting that she said this is the first time she has heard of this defence.
I must say I had been thinking why aren't we hearing from people like her regarding these cases.
If only she was on Mumsnet...
Anyway she's fired about it now. Let's keep the pressure up to get rid of this "she liked rough sex" "fifty shades of grey" defence which, as Harriet says, has taken over from the previous "nagging and shagging" defence.
Thank you Harriet.

twitter.com/harrietharman/status/1075353996544626688?s=21

arranbubonicplague · 22/12/2018 17:14

Natalie Connolly had her life and reputation taken from her.

She's had her life and reputation re-scripted by the survivor.

The study of suicide was revolutionised by the introduction of what was then (possibly still now) known as a psychological autopsy .

When I read the judge's sentencing remarks and what he was effectively taking on trust from Broadhurst's account I felt that Natalie Connolly was having a psychosexual autopsy conducted in public by some very skilled manipulators (the defence team, doing what they're paid for) and interpreted by an unskilled arbiter (my, perhaps unjustifiable and unfair, impression of the judge).

Beyond the tragedy of Natalie Connolly and the other women who have died as a result of violence and sexual assault (it is not "rough sex") I wonder how we're ever supposed to learn anything about these crimes and how to prevent them when the "evidence" out there is either skilfully manipulated or distorted beyond recognition.

ShesABelter · 22/12/2018 16:56

I have written to the AG. This is just horrific. Over 40 injuries, hameorraging from her vagina, smashed eye socket and bleach sprayed on her and he believes this was BDSM. People in BDSM Relationships still care for each other's well being. They have safe words and the sub is in control because if they use it the dom stops. How could Natalie do that in the intoxicated state she was in. She didnt. She was raped, beaten and murdered. If this had been BDSM it would never of gone so far and he'd of sought medical help for her. Not stepped over her numerous times and reported her as dead as a doughnut. Nasty, murdering bastard.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 22/12/2018 16:12

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Pulltheotheroneitsgotbellson · 22/12/2018 16:10

Again we must look at the root cause - the justice system is not fit for purpose for crimes against women and children.

R0wantrees · 22/12/2018 16:10

I'd like to reframe the comment above to say that Natalie Connolly had her life and reputation taken from her.

R0wantrees · 22/12/2018 16:07

Just listening to Woman's Hour Radio 4 discussing how the 'nagging and shagging' defence was abolished in 2009 and that this is a new version eg 'she wanted this violence' .

Not sure who the legal commentator is but worth listening to.

She is highlighting that Natalie Connolly not only has lost her life but also her reputation by this defence.

arranbubonicplague · 22/12/2018 15:53

Just seen a claim that has shocked me if it's verified:

twitter.com/AnnaKornas/status/1076262885364506624

Charley50 · 22/12/2018 13:02

I'm glad so many people have written to the AG about this, but a shame the AG didn't have the humility to say on their Twitter feed that they've received hundreds (maybe thousands) of emails about it. Instead they just mention that it only takes one to review a case. (Sorry if this doesn't make much sense).

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 22/12/2018 11:05

I’ve emailed. Thank you for this thread.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 22/12/2018 10:29

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Chardeemacdennis1 · 22/12/2018 10:28

In a news article Natalie's sister said that Natalie told her he was into rough sex.

The man said it was Natalie that was into rough sex and it was accepted without question. I don't understand why.

I also can't see what the reasonable explanation for pouring bleech in her face was.

He also admits that she was talking nonsense and practically unconscious when she requested he use the carpet cleaner. I'm confused as to why that's not rape with an object. No woman would request that in her right mind. No man would do it unless he was sadistic and abusive.

All the evidence points to a deliberate act of violence against Natalie. He gave inconsistent and unbelievable excuses and the judge just accepted it as true.

SockEatingMonster · 22/12/2018 10:19

Also, funny how women are so prone to falling down the stairs and sustaining serious facial injuries.

Fuckyousanta · 22/12/2018 10:18

Why was nothing much made of the fact he was clearly up at 6am and didn’t call an ambulance until 9am.

Is the judge saying she didn’t die from the vaginal bleed, she died from alcohol/drug levels? There’s a part where he says her vagina would have bled more if she hadn’t died.

No way did she blow her eye socket walking into a door. Can not believe he was believed on this point.

He decided it was too extreme to hit her with a belt so went for the boot instead. But then decided the trigger bottle wasn’t too extreme?! Come on now, my three year old lies better than that

Will email later

SockEatingMonster · 22/12/2018 10:15

Horrifying beyond measure.

Does this mean that if a man has any form of ‘evidence’ that you have, at some point in the past, consented to ‘rough sex’, he can go ahead and torture you to death at any point in the future because ‘that’s how she liked it’??????

BrienneofTERF · 22/12/2018 10:07

Oops xposted with bubonic

BrienneofTERF · 22/12/2018 10:05

Here is the link from the AG twitter account saying they will review the case. They say they only need one letter to review a case (reading between the lines they are asking us not to overwhelm them with more letters) but I fear they try to whitewash over this once we’ve all calmed down.

mobile.twitter.com/attorneygeneral/status/1075712415780659200

arranbubonicplague · 22/12/2018 09:59

The AG office posted on twitter yesterday that they were reviewing the sentence

What they tweeted:

We can confirm that we have received a request from a member of the public under the #ULS scheme relating to John Broadhurst. Only one request is required for us to consider a sentence.

twitter.com/attorneygeneral/status/1075712415780659200

Woman's Place UK, FilIA etc. are asking for more letters to convey the level of public anger/distress at the sentence. Several people have queried the address: an alternate address is

[email protected]

feministfairy · 22/12/2018 09:53

Hmmm. I will wait to see what happens. Given the outrageousness of the judge's comments and beliefs enshrined in his comments, there's going to have to be a real turn around before!

OnAScaleOf1to10ItsA7 · 22/12/2018 09:48

The AG office posted on twitter yesterday that they were reviewing the sentence!

Yodabrussel · 22/12/2018 09:42

Emailed the AG. Reading the judge's sentencing notes made me feel sick and this case is yet another example of society's utter disregard for women. RIP Natalie.

AngryAttackKittens · 22/12/2018 09:15

Why would any woman consent to that, or seek it out? The fact that the perpetrator's claims weren't immediately brushed off as absurd demonstrates the extent to which porn culture has successfully increased the amount of free floating misogyny in every culture impacted by it.

TooTrueToBeGood · 22/12/2018 09:02

unbelievable how anyone could think she was to blame.

Because she's just a woman and he's got money. The judge even made note of him being a successful businessman as supposed evidence of his good character. Fucking sickening.