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Jeremy Corbyn just called Theresa May "stupid woman"

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Bejazzled · 19/12/2018 12:56

And he did it with the most derogatory angry expression on his face.

FFS

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Usernumbers1234 · 19/12/2018 14:01

@impossiblecat

Do you mean the report of him saying this. I happened to see it first through a Guardian journalist, but it was literally everywhere in the press websifes and all over social media within seconds.

Apologies if I have the wrong end of the stick, but you cannot infer that this has been spun or leaked into the media agenda by someone with a vested interest.

He said it on live television, in front of the world, and the world is reporting it, not some one place with an agenda.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/12/2018 14:01

By misogyny, are people referring to trans issues?

No, just the old-fashioned sort.

Bejazzled · 19/12/2018 14:01

In fact, why am I bothering. There is now going to be an invasion of Corbynistas telling us that this is irrelevant as Magic Grandpa is going to transform all our lives so we should just shut up and never criticize him

They're already here. Utterly pathetic deflection and denial in progress.

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DarlingNikita · 19/12/2018 14:00

I agree, hackmum.

VickyEadie · 19/12/2018 14:00

By misogyny, are people referring to trans issues? Not the same thing.

Eh?

ABCagain · 19/12/2018 14:00

Ok have now watched this on a loop for ten minutes, i’m pretty sure he says Woman. Am not surprised the Man’s a Twat.

impossiblecat · 19/12/2018 13:59

By misogyny, are people referring to trans issues? Not the same thing.

PreseaCombatir · 19/12/2018 13:59

I’ve watched it ten times, saying woman and people along with it. It’s definitely woman. Anyone can see that.

hackmum · 19/12/2018 13:57

May had just been goading Corbyn with his failure to call a No Confidence vote with the words: "He’s going to put a confidence vote – oh yes he is, oh no he isn’t. I’ve got some advice. Look behind you! They are not impressed and neither is the country.”

Would it have been acceptable if Corbyn had called her a "childish woman"? Because I can't think of anything much more childish than putting on a pantomime act in response to a national crisis.

DarlingNikita · 19/12/2018 13:56

It's not acceptable in the HoC but, on the other hand, he's not wrong, is he?

NB I can't stand him either and think he's a stupid man.

bellinisurge · 19/12/2018 13:56

Is it just me or does everyone keep hearing the voice of Renee in 'Allo 'Allo "you stupid woman". About as effective a leader too.

impossiblecat · 19/12/2018 13:55

Where did the report of this come from initially? That would be more interesting than anything else.

MargueritaPink · 19/12/2018 13:55

And when Mharie Black mouthed “you talk shite hen” that was oh so cool?

No it wasn't. Black is vastly overrated.

where are the posters who wanted corbyn in to #10, and said how bloody marvellous he was when i slagged him off on a thread and got flamed ? rethinking it now peeps ?

Corbyn has been a disaster from day 1. It would be a disaster if he became PM.On Brexit he has no policies and all he does is snipe from the sidelines.

BertrandRussell · 19/12/2018 13:54

I have to say it looks like “stupid people” to me. And I am reluctant to say that because it means I am agreeing with Julia Hartley-Brewer. Not to mention that anything which gets us a new Labour leader sounds good to me.......,

Stopwoofing · 19/12/2018 13:53

is what he said he said - yes, I love taking politicians at face value, they're so reliable.

arranbubonicplague · 19/12/2018 13:53

Tolaugh - that individual and collective narcissism piece is very thought-provoking.

The collusion of those in the Corbyn bubble that makes him think expressing this sort of language and misogyny is very disturbing altho' it possibly has more resonance with sectors of the general public than I care to acknowledge.

Notevenmyrealname · 19/12/2018 13:53

I’m really sorry but what is the context for this? She is a woman and presumably she said something that he thought was stupid. Is it just because he’s a man calling her a stupid woman? I’m not picking either side here. He’s a ditherer, she’s a xenophobe, neither are particularly amazing.
I’ve never really understood this level of pickiness over choices of words. If she is a woman and she said something he thought was stupid, what’s the issue? I’ve called my daughter a silly girl today for knocking something over and I’m pretty sure my DH would have done the same if he’d been there. I genuinely don’t get why this is a problem.

countrygirl99 · 19/12/2018 13:53

Tbf he's hardly likely to call her a stupid man and questioning her competence is entirely fair. On the other hand he is utterly useless so as a country we are screwed either way.

Stopwoofing · 19/12/2018 13:52

i can't imagine the election winning labour of the sadly long past making such a mistake, and whatever he said, it would've been easy to shrug it off with a 'but I shouldn't have said that'

'What Jeremy said is what he said'. Four legs good, two legs bad.

TheGoddessFrigg · 19/12/2018 13:52

Im not sure how this is misogynistic

Okay- imagine he had said 'Stupid black' or 'Stupid Jew'? Why does the word 'woman' need to be there?

In fact, why am I bothering. There is now going to be an invasion of Corbynistas telling us that this is irrelevant as Magic Grandpa is going to transform all our lives so we should just shut up and never criticize him.

StarsAndWater · 19/12/2018 13:52

I'm going to disagree somewhat. I thoroughly dislike Corbyn and don't fancy making excuses for him, but Theresa May is presiding over one of the biggest political messes I've ever seen.
I think she is stupid tbh. She's been promoted way beyond her capability. It also wouldn't surprise me if Corbyn would say 'stupid man' in the same circumstances if we had a male PM.
Corbyn is quite clearly happy to allow rampant sexism to run unchecked in Labour so it's quite possible he meant it in a sexist way, but I don't think this is necessarily evidence of it.

impossiblecat · 19/12/2018 13:51

I'd still vote for him.

I'm a boring, prosaic old bag though. I like boring policies that keep people alive. I don't give a shit about mudslinging bollocks like this.

bigKiteFlying · 19/12/2018 13:51

It is a phrase loaded with more connotation than denotation.

yes - that's the issue.

It's a phrase often used to shut up a usually middle aged woman not because of what's she saying but because she is daring to say anything.

I think it's telling especially combined with the anti semitic things that have happened.

impossiblecat · 19/12/2018 13:49

"Yes, because the deluge of every day sexism, especially when cascading from what is supposedly the leadership of the nation is actually far more detrimental to the progress of both women and society in general than whatever policy matter of the day is under scrutiny - all that stuff washes out eventually anyway."

What, you mean like policies which reduce life expectancy, see an increase in infant mortality, falling education standards, erosion of employment rights, removal of social care....

But hey, someone may have called someone a stupid woman.

As I said, we've got the government we deserve.

SassitudeandSparkle · 19/12/2018 13:49

It's pretty clear to me what he says and I'm not a lipreader. His own party trying to claim he said something else is utterly shameful.