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Martina Navratilova states the obvious

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Glinner · 19/12/2018 12:16

twitter.com/Martina/status/1075193284660785153

At first I was delighted to see thisat last a big name in women's sport is speaking up! but then I got angry all over again that this utterly obvious point has to be explained to an adult, in this case, a Guardian journalist. It boggles the mind.

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AngryAttackKittens · 23/12/2018 09:56

"I'm a lady because of my lady mood swigs, which totally justify my lady rages during which I make my coworkers miserable."

ChewyLouie · 23/12/2018 09:45

No they don’t get periods. They’re not female. They will never be biologically female. They will always be biologically male.
In a thousand years anyone exacavating their bones will list their skeleton as male. Get over it.

bellinisurge · 23/12/2018 09:43

Where does the period blood and uterine material come from?

sackrifice · 23/12/2018 09:38

And trans women get periods now. Apparently.

Martina Navratilova states the obvious
Martina Navratilova states the obvious
Martina Navratilova states the obvious
ChewyLouie · 23/12/2018 09:37

BISH funded by Durex.
Who, in education is allowing these morons to be anywhere our kids. A genitalia spectrum to match the jelly baby spectrum to match the desires of men to do as they please to women and children.
The gender ideology is a perverts charter, nothing less.

ABitCrapper · 23/12/2018 09:35

Oh that article has given me the rage!

Why the fuck do we need to encourage children to "have a gender identity" at all?!

So you're a sensitive emotional boy? Great.
You're a tough, takes no shit girl? Great.
Want to wear dresses? Fine, but dress appropriately for the weather and occasion.
Teenagers don't need encouraged to be MORE navel gazing or MORE questioning of their identity FFS!

R0wantrees · 23/12/2018 09:21

Careful how you go there. Dr Christian no less proudly produced Skene's Glands as a gotcha slap you down I am so clever and you are an ignoramus proof that women do indeed have prostate glands

Justin Hancock , in BISH training for schools refers to Skene's glands as the prostate

Justin Hancock is friend and co-collaberates with Meg-John Barker (Edward Lord's partner) producing sex and relationship podcasts.

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"For one, like I point out in this article, sex is a very complicated idea. It’s not just about our chromosomes (a lot of people don’t know what theirs are, XX, XY, XXY … ) but also; which hormones kick in, when they kick in and how they kick in; and then how genitals may take shape. Our genitals are on a spectrum in terms of: how much erectile tissue sticks out (clitorises and dicks and inbetween); where the prostate is; where the wee hole is; whether the gonads are inside or outside; vagina size. Many people are in the middle of this spectrum with how their bodies are configured.

Also sex, like gender, is not just about biology but is also to do with how we feel about ourselves and what society tells us about ourselves – it’s biopsychosocial."
www.bishuk.com/about-you/whats-your-gender/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357713-BISH-proudly-supported-by?pg=1

AngryAttackKittens · 23/12/2018 08:59

Some of those responses...I'm not sure that Katie talking about Katie's penis with a photo of Katie as an avatar will have quite the persuasive impact that Katie intended.

Iused2BanOptimist · 23/12/2018 08:41

Do women have prostates?

Careful how you go there. Dr Christian no less proudly produced Skene's Glands as a gotcha slap you down I am so clever and you are an ignoramus proof that women do indeed have prostate glands. Hmm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skene%27s_gland

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/12/2018 08:26

McKinnon retweeted a thread that ended with:

Crystal Frasier 🧜‍♀️
@AmazonChique
I mean for the gods' sake, cis men can lactate. Cis men can get breast cancer. Cis women can get prostate cancer. And all this before you factor in trans people even existing.

Do women have prostrates Confused

Martina Navratilova states the obvious
brizzledrizzle · 23/12/2018 07:15

Go Martina. I think I have a new hero.

MnerXX · 23/12/2018 06:57

#istandwithmartina a truly awesome woman. RM is probably incredibly jealous.

DandelionsAreNotLions · 23/12/2018 03:07

Pressed post too soon.

"Cox thinks ....etc" was third hand message and some time ago. Maybe its just contractual now.

DandelionsAreNotLions · 23/12/2018 02:44

AspieAndProud

Cox isn’t just a physicist. A lot of his tv work has been on natural history so he’s fine with commenting on things outside his specialist field. Plus his podcast The Infinite Monkey Cage has covered all kinds of topics and he has a wide range of guests. The only reason I can see for him not to comment is that he has been told not to.

Cox thinks Gia gets enough hate as it is and thinks if he speaks out the bastards will target her even more.
Hopefully will change his mind as there is a little more "safety in numbers" emerging.

Italiangreyhound · 22/12/2018 22:32

Martina Navratilova makes lots of sense, I am sorry there are attempts to silence her.

InkyGrail · 22/12/2018 21:43

You don't actually even need a dummy account for Twitter to see tweets from someone who has blocked you. Just log out. I don't have a Twitter account but frequently go on there to read tweets.

NotBadConsidering · 22/12/2018 21:10

Someone should tag Sean Ingle into the Twitter discussion then (I’m not on Twitter). He wrote an article the other day about this sort of thing, I’m sure he will be interested to hear that Navratilova is being bullied into “re-education”.

andyoldlabour · 22/12/2018 20:56

@hackmum

The Guardian and Indepenedent have very much changed over the past few years and have banned me from posting - about these matters - please draw your own conclusions.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/12/2018 19:31

Ah my mistake! Thanks, I clearly didn’t look properly for it

arranbubonicplague · 22/12/2018 19:28

Just looked an Maugham's comment is still there:

twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1076420666759565312

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1076421178066120704

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/12/2018 19:03

I can still see Alison’s tweet.

Jo Maugham’s tweet, on the other hand, seems have disappeared. Perhaps after more people replied, asking how he could square his stance on supporting transwomen on all women’s shortlist’s with not supporting them to enter women’s sports, he decided to delete the tweet. (Or I’ve just not looked properly for it!)

Iused2BanOptimist · 22/12/2018 18:37

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Terfing · 22/12/2018 18:36

Brian Cox does sit on the fence though. He won't have debates about God, for example. It's obvious that he thinks god is bollocked, but he wants to keep his mainstream audience....

PinaGrigio · 22/12/2018 18:09

Aspie, I made the same point about Ben Goldacre et al on one of the Mermaids thread and I think someone else has emailed him. Be interesting to see if they get a response. Other 'woo-debunkers' who came to mind were David Colquhoun or Edvard Ernst, though they both tend to focus on complementary medicine.

I also found out today that I've been blocked on Twitter by R McKinnon. I have never engaged with McKinnon at all, so it's quite amusing & sad in equal measure that I've clearly made it on to some block list somehow. Ah well, I'll live.

R0wantrees · 22/12/2018 18:01

Brian Cox also came up with a proposal that all MPs should have to do a foundation course in a range of subjects before taking up office.
It came from his frustration with the gaps in knowledge of people with political power and responsibility.
Not sure of the program but will have been R4

see also:
2013
Brian Cox: MPs who ignore science should 'explain why'
Politicians who reject scientific advice should have to explain their actions - according to Professor Brian Cox.

The TV scientist believes that in order for the public to get clear facts on issues such as GM crops, drug policy and climate change, politicians must be more transparent.

Speaking with BBC Radio 5 live's Richard Bacon, he said: "If politicians go against the scientific advice - which they have a right do to - I want them to explain why. I don't want to make things up."

Professor Brian Cox's new three part series, Science Britannica'
www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-24149873/brian-cox-mps-who-ignore-science-should-explain-why