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Martina Navratilova states the obvious

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Glinner · 19/12/2018 12:16

twitter.com/Martina/status/1075193284660785153

At first I was delighted to see thisat last a big name in women's sport is speaking up! but then I got angry all over again that this utterly obvious point has to be explained to an adult, in this case, a Guardian journalist. It boggles the mind.

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HomeStar · 21/12/2018 14:52

I think men play up the 'hit in the balls' pain way more than it actually hurts. Hitting my boob on a car door hurts WAY more

Apologies for the digression but what is it with trans women and bumping their boobs into things? I've seen a lot of trans women talk about this, hitting their boobs on door frames and walls, and as a person who has owned rather prominent breasts for a long time I seriously don't understand it. I didn't bump my breasts into things during puberty either; it can't be just that they're not used to it. Is it a fetish thing, or is it maybe something to do with the male musculoskeletal system not being well-suited for breasts?

happydappy2 · 21/12/2018 14:49

MN has 250K followers, RM has 4500

I imagine MN has just gained a LOT more. Loving that she is getting involved in this.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/12/2018 14:43

Don't give RM any ideas laundrylaundrylaundry*.

I can see it being turned into a stunning and brave biopic as well

placemats · 21/12/2018 14:41

Best tweet: Navratilova v McKinnon

Legend v leg end.

LaundryLaundryLaundry · 21/12/2018 14:26

Wait for it:

Breaking news: RMK, the World's first medal winning TRA track cyclist announces a move to women's tennis.

In interviews: "I didn't really know anything about tennis and then I found out, quite by accident, about the lesbian legend Martina Navratilova and I thought it was about time another out lesbian took a few grand slam titles. Since I have a natural advantage, as with MN who is quite obviously trans being non binary and GNC, I figured it wouldn't be hard for me to work my way up. I'm amazed at how quickly I progressed through the ranks. And beating Serena Williams during only my second year at competition level, wow."

All made up but this is where we're heading, people.

R0wantrees · 21/12/2018 14:19

link to important current thread includes resources & discussion about Coercive control, Duluth Wheel of abusive behaviours, narcissistic behaviours etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

pachyderm · 21/12/2018 14:17

@Datun I wonder if you're right about people not knowing who Martina is. I mean, I actually gasped for real when I read the initial harassment and man/transplaining, thinking "this is Martina Nafuckinvratilova, are you for real????" But maybe they are that ignorant.

BettyDuMonde · 21/12/2018 14:16

This is precisely why we should all hold our ground - apologies are not accepted anyway, so why bother?

It’s Alison Moyet all over again.

GodThisIsShit · 21/12/2018 14:16

God that Rod Liddle article on McKinnon - priceless.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2018 14:13

Martina: You’re right. I don’t know who I am talking to and you do. Once again- clearly I am ignorant of what is being transphobic. So I am sorry for my ignorance, it won’t happen again.

McKinnon: Wow. This is...exactly how NOT to react, Martina.

Just... wow. What's she meant to do???

VickyEadie · 21/12/2018 14:10

Forgot about this - lesbians have to get over their hang ups. What a nasty piece of work.

twitter.com/receipts4u/status/1076106583581458439?s=19

Yes, McKinnon knows how to bully the lesbians.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2018 14:07

Forgot about this - lesbians have to get over their hang ups. What a nasty piece of work.

twitter.com/receipts4u/status/1076106583581458439?s=19

NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2018 14:05

I despise McKinnon. So happy to see Martina stand up herself and McKinnon whining like a baby.

Melamin · 21/12/2018 13:58

Rachel doesn't have a very good track record for accepting apologies.

boatyardblues · 21/12/2018 13:48

I’m glad to Martina has decided not to take this lying down. McKinnon’s accomplishments (in as much as a victory achieved by having the odds massively stacked in your favour are an accomplishment) are dwarfed by Martina’s. What a tool!

andyoldlabour · 21/12/2018 13:48

Cheating cockwomble tries to lecture best ever women's tennis player - where is the popcorn when you need it.
McKinnon continues to plumb the depths.

Datun · 21/12/2018 13:44

There was a comment when a woman said she hoped she hadn't caused offence because she didn't realise Martina was gay.

I genuinely think a lot of people don't know who Martina is.

HandsOffMyRights · 21/12/2018 13:34

i'm waiting to hear comment from John McEnroe - "You Cannot Be Serious" should cover it.
🤣🤣🏅🎾

JamesBondFilm · 21/12/2018 13:33

m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

BeUpStanding · 21/12/2018 13:32

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤣
Oh that's hilarious, and Helen Saxby's response is absolutely spot on too.

VickyEadie · 21/12/2018 13:32

Make no mistake, this is misogyny and a movement to eradicate women's sports entirely. Because that 'what difference does a penis make to your serve/' comment means 'why do we have separate sports at all?'

MagicMix · 21/12/2018 13:31

I was just having a browse through the Twitter storm and came across this: mobile.twitter.com/Twig80580973/status/1076083513731018753

Someone says of MN I always thought he/she didn't identify as either

If anyone needed any more proof that the woke view of sex and gender is regressive as hell, here we have it. Women who don't conform to feminity aren't really proper women. It's the same old shit in a new shiny package.

Sorry I know I'm preaching to the choir here but yikes, how can anyone not see how sexist that is. Has Martina Navratilova ever given the slightest indication she doesn't know she's a woman?

Yambabe · 21/12/2018 13:29

Well. All the things that've peaked me in the last 2 years, all the things that have made me sad, angry or afraid, and it's this that has finally made me nail my colours to the mast and speak up in public.

Go Martina!

R0wantrees · 21/12/2018 13:26

i'm waiting to hear comment from John McEnroe - "You Cannot Be Serious" should cover it.

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