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Recording of Mermaids training

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Imherefornow · 18/12/2018 15:40

twitter.com/MichaelConroy68/status/1074723989308801026?s=19

Apologies if this has already been posted. Did a quick search and didn't find anything.

Michael Conroy attended and recorded a mermaids training session. It's hair raising listening.

I believe that someone is working on transcribing this, which will hopefully make it easier to analyse. But wanted to post it to make sure it hadn't been missed.

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Annandale · 20/12/2018 07:02

Cannot wait to understand the jelly baby relevance.

Pythagonal · 19/12/2018 23:54

Pencils, please accept my apologies for only thanking Orchid earlier, both of you are doing sterling work that I couldn't face. Flowers

starcrossedseahorse · 19/12/2018 23:50

It looks bloody funny written down!

Michael is brilliant. Grin

ChewyLouie · 19/12/2018 23:44

Jelly baby- why are they dragging jelly babies into all of this? Hope they leave wine gums alone, that would really cheese me off!
Ps big thank you to the transcribers am looking fwd to reading it too 💐

newtlover · 19/12/2018 23:14

'I don't really buy the jelly baby'
Grin
I am REALLY looking forward to the whole transcript
That woman is going to be in SO MUCH trouble- I hope she's reading this, you have blown it big time, hahahaha

ifonlyus · 19/12/2018 21:41

Except 1% is TINY. In my son's massive secondary school, that will mean 5-6 kids? I don't know why I'm surprised by this disconnect but I found it very irritating. Also the amount of dedicated training being delivered for such a tiny percentage of the cohort. Have schools had LGB training? Training for how to deal with BAME kids who probably make up 10% of the population? If not, why not?

My thoughts also. What about children with autism/ADHD? Girls with mental health problems (a massive percentage now)? School refusers? Is there indepth, whole school training being delivered on how best to support those children? I can't even get my DC's school to deliver up to date, relevant sex education in yet they are expected to make time for Mermaids propaganda exercise.

PencilsInSpace · 19/12/2018 21:29

Because LGB and BAME kids don't need to trample all over anyone else's rights. 'People are all different so don't be a shit' covers it mostly these days.

It's only if your rights are dependent on another disadvantaged group losing their own rights that you have to embark on a hefty programme of (re)education.

OrchidInTheSun · 19/12/2018 20:05

Ha Pencils! She is really, really pissed off with him by Part 2.

I have also been struck by how much she talks about 1% of people being trans and then how they're everywhere - and a kid's school, church, social circle, etc is probably replete with trans kids.

Except 1% is TINY. In my son's massive secondary school, that will mean 5-6 kids? I don't know why I'm surprised by this disconnect but I found it very irritating. Also the amount of dedicated training being delivered for such a tiny percentage of the cohort. Have schools had LGB training? Training for how to deal with BAME kids who probably make up 10% of the population? If not, why not?

Melamin · 19/12/2018 20:05
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PencilsInSpace · 19/12/2018 20:00

We're at the collation stage, so not long now Smile

My personal favourite bit from the first half:

(A1 is Michael, S is speaker)

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A1: I was just thinking if a woman who want - 20 or 30 years ago, a woman who wanted to work and not be at home ... she wasn't cis was she? I don't suppose, according to that, cos she's saying ... what you're present ...

S: Yes because it's about gender identity, she would have known she was a woman.

A1: ... because she's not dysphoric?

S: Because her brain jelly baby and her biology jelly baby are in alignment.

A1: Yeah, I don't really buy the jelly baby.

Melamin · 19/12/2018 19:51

Total brain failure - meant Rowan Atkinson Blush

Melamin · 19/12/2018 19:50

Maybe, one day, it will be to presenting and training, what the Rowan Williams sermon became to trainee vicars Grin

VickyEadie · 19/12/2018 18:34

As a very experienced prsenter, trainer and public speaker, I quite enjoy hearing someone presenting complete bollocks extremely ineptly.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/12/2018 18:34

I find it really worrying all these academics that don't seem to be able to evaluate a theory critically. Even if it's not your field you should still be able to evaluate research.

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 19/12/2018 18:19

Wow! The stupid is strong with that one.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/12/2018 18:09

From a previous comment, wasn't her knowledge based on her being a mother of a trans child? It's quite possible they haven't had any training in running effective training sessions, and I don't think that's Mermaids area of expertise either going from their PowerPoints...

starcrossedseahorse · 19/12/2018 17:12

Yes it is appalling. She is dreadful.

papayasareyum · 19/12/2018 17:06

I'm just listening to this recording with my jaw on the floor.
Does the trainer have any medical training at all?
She's talking to them like a room full of pre teens, it's so bloody condescending!

XXcstatic · 19/12/2018 16:49

Why is it Barrie and GI Joe? Why not Ken? What wrong with Ken?

Because Ken's so obviously gay, and Mermaids is all about transing away the gayness Wink

R0wantrees · 19/12/2018 16:30

starcrossedseahors
I know, apologies. I had intended to indicate my Grin

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2018 16:28

Indeed attempts to try and 'hide' whats said in a promotion / training session to a public body is a fantastic look for any charity or public body, with except.

TRANSPARENCY

Good governance requires transparency. Without it, there is a huge black hole into which safeguarding has disappeared without a trace.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2018 16:24

If you were whistleblowing to the press you would undoubtably get the 'in the public interest' defence on this.

There is no way recording a training session aimed at schools and other public bodies WOULD NOT be in the public interest to know.

Its a matter of whether institutions are fully aware of who they are getting to train them and whether the standard of this is in line with their standards of safeguarding and equality.

If they are preaching sexist and homophobic nonsense or anything which is conflicts with their internal safeguarding training, then theres a problem.

This is why its important to get it transcribed and to get it on line and preferably published (which I'm sure the lurking journalists here won't be too adverse to).

They can report it all they like on twitter and get it taken down, the cat is out of the bag, and Barbara Streisand is thrilled by it all.

Its not as if any of this is a huge secret, seeing as they are actively trying to get this brainwashing program in front of as many people as possible.

Again, you CAN'T make the argument that its in breech of your privacy if you are actively trying to promote and publicise a particular idea / agenda even if its a closed meeting - if that closed meeting happens to be a public body.

You'd be laughed out of court by a judge for trying that on.

starcrossedseahorse · 19/12/2018 16:19

Um, I was joking...

R0wantrees · 19/12/2018 16:18

It shouldn't be that radical.
It wouldn't have been seen so by many in the 1970's 1980's etc

and isn't it important to consider?

starcrossedseahorse · 19/12/2018 15:52

I think Jan's head might explode at such a radical suggestion...

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