Recording of Mermaids training

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Quite. QUITE.

Where's the actual anti-bullying part? Didn't see any. Nada.

Where's the actual anti-bullying part?
Where is the information on how to make children understand what bullying is (i.e. not telling a child once that pink is for girls), how it makes other children feel, what to do if you see it, how to deal with it at school level, and how to tell children and parents that they should not DREAM of asking their GNC child to change in any way?

The whole Mermaids training transcript (and sound recording) is assembled and up (with a French presentation and a cheeky graphic) at tradfem.wordpress.com/2018/12/24/compte-rendu-dune-session-de-formation-de-futures-enseignantes-britanniques-par-lorganisation-mermaids-inc/
It will be a tiny bit difficult to argue that the trainer really presented "gender as a social construct".

Cake and eat it come to mind. Because it actually makes no logical sense whatsoever

Doesn't that defeat the point of transitioning?

It does if you are one of the vanishingly rare transsexuals who just want to get on with their lives under the radar and without drama.

But not if you are part of the massively bigger cohort who want to dominate women, accrue as many victim points as possible, make a name for yourself as more of a woman than any woman, and be the first woman to 'do' stuff (break women's sporting records, fight on the front line, direct a trilogy, be woman of the year with a penis, etc).

I have not followed closely myself what has gone on for a long while now. But I really don't understand something. So reading through the transcript it seems that prior gender and name etc should be under lock and key. So the person transitioning has nothing to do with their previous life and can just be who they are. That being the case, why are people calling for trans people to for example be the new bond. When I thought the whole purpose of transitioning means you identify as a new person and the previous gender/identity is basically dead. So how then can anybody specifically get a trans person to do whatever if no one is supposed to know they had a previous identity or gender? Doesn't that defeat the point of transitioning?

Please can someone phone in? I can't at the moment but the debate is so skewed...

It is Kaite Welsh - dreadful

FFS

Oh god it is a car crash - not sure who it is. Defending men in women's sports now...

This is being discussed on LBC right now

Someone has done a “debunking” thread on the mermaids recording and the subsequent reporting, stating that the trainer was clear that gender is a social construct

mobile.twitter.com/literaturepeep/status/1076972986316611584

I love the way that transcribing a discussion can allow you to really dive in and analyse what's going on in a way that you just can't do from only listening

I look forward to the time when speech recognition has progressed such that conversations can be automatically transcribed 😊

I believe Newman University has a big faculty of Education. Was the Mermaids session delivered to trainee teachers? If that was the case no wonder they were keeping quiet.

Very alarming that this shit is being rolled out to teachers. They will have been quiet because of the fear of being labelled transphobic and because an SMT which is behind this shit could make life very uncomfortable for dissenting voices.

I hope so much that they disagreed with it but who really knows?

Just to make sure I understand... Is MAW (in the transcript) Michael Conroy? Because he puts up an intelligent resistance to the Mermaids hocus-pocus...

Thank you Mr. Conroy and Mumsnet for this invaluable document, that should be shared with investigative reporters such as Janice Turner and with safeguarding authorities which have clearly had the wool pulled over their eyes... unless they're actually complicit!

I think she meant the EA but doesn't actually know what she's talking about.

You could write about 12 different essays on the various ways mermaids are badly wrong in this training session.

Lauramipsum I think they are talking about the Sex Discrimination Act which preceeded the Equality Act. Not clear why though.

You are right about the wrong analysis "gender identity" is not a protected characteristic its "gender reassignment"

Do we think they meant another actual Act that really exists, or are they just straight up inventing laws now?

Definitely sending the transcripts to my MP after Christmas, along with Julian Norman's analysis of how GRA amendments would affect the Equality Act.

Just read their legal analysis of the Equality Act, HRA and "Discrimination Act."

Holy fuck.

... there is no Discrimination Act in the UK, and their analysis of the other two is just plainly wrong.

No worries Orchid!

Sorry scipio - I'm packing and that came across far snippier than I meant it to! That's what I've been telling people to do on Twitter