A Trans Woman Was Asked To Leave The Women's Changing Room At A PureGym

I was in a heated discussion about this sort of thing the other day with a man who was claiming that women's scarcely concealed and completely irrational misandry was suddenly being given full licence in this debate and when applied to transwomen it becomes transphobia. I said it's not irrational to be wary of the male body: women are traditionally prey. But apparently, being wary of the unknown male body is the equivalent of assuming all foreigners are terrorists. If someone says they're a woman you have to take their word for it, apparently. Or else you are a T*.

It reminds me of that old conundrum of the indiscernible line between: Oh, he just put his hand on your knee, you're making a fuss about nothing and Wait, he put his hand on your knee, why didn't you scream?

"She hoped that her experience would help gym staff and fellow members to understand what it's like to use a gym as a trans person.

“I would want people to realise there is that gap, and you need that training to take into consideration our experiences,” she said."

There you go .. we just all need to be re-educated.

Hah! No Sarah it is you who needs to be educated about women and their feelings.

I go to a Pure gym. There are no cubicles, there is just one communal changing room and you then walk from there to the showers which aren't really suitable for changing in as they aren't big enough and you'd get your clothes wet.. I would be extremely uncomfortable having someone with a penis in that area. Changing rooms should be according to your genitals not your hairstyle and identity. Men will just have to get used to having feminine looking people with penises in their changing rooms.

So Sarah could have solved her problems and the problems of the women using the women's changing room, but using the neutral individual changing room.

She didn't want to change with penises. The women in the women's changing room do not want to get changed with penises.

Therefore why can't Sarah use the neutral/disabled?

If Sarah isn't comfortable getting changed around male bodies why should all other women be?

www.puregym.com/contact/

If you want to show support then PureGym have a contact page. I wish they would stick by the staff member who was applying logic in preserving single sex space as requested by actual women.

I recently joined a Pure Gym. I am so pleased at them putting womens' feelings above those of a male-bodied person who didn't want to use the gender neutral option that was provided for them.

I may send them a message saying I am glad they made this choice. Also that I am glad there was gender neutral changing space available for the TW.

I notice the reporter misrepresents the 2010 Equality Act, apparently under the illusion that it is there solely to protect the rights of trans people.

The comments are mostly pretty stupid.

"*2018 has been a total headfuck. I just don't know what to say anymore."

Same.

The PureGym guidelines seem sensible:

PureGym has since issued detailed transgender access guidelines titled "Everyone Welcome", which are compliant with the 2004 Gender Recognition Act and seek to determine changing room use on a case-by-case basis.

It's only organisations like the Girl Guides who seem to feel the need to anticipate reforms to the GRA. We had a consulation, the responses are being considered, why does this person feel that they do not need to wait for the results before deciding what suits them...and only them.

Duncan Bannatyne saw this coming and, was pretty active on Twitter during the GRA consultation. .

But it's just completely nonsensical.

Hypocrisy is ever-present.

This person doesn't want to get changed with men who have penises. Guess what? Neither do women.

But...this person is therefore a complete hypocrite.

And where HAD Sarah been changing for the previous 10 months of her year-long membership?

@GhostSauce

Therein lies the problem. They believe their wants and needs trump ours. We do not agree. They are not interested in a compromise of a third space. They want nothing less than complete submission to their demands. It just doesn't have a good outcome for anyone.

2018 has been a total headfuck. I just don't know what to say anymore.

FFS. Sarah was even offered the use of a gender neutral, accessible changing room but refused it. If all Sarah wanted was to use the gym, then why wasn't this an acceptable compromise?

And yes, the fawning tone of the article is rubbish as well. Not even a flicker of consideration as to how the women (the cunty type) might feel about the situation.

Gym’s and pools have been targets for voyeurs for as long as they’ve been in operation - they can’t afford to be totally accepting and inclusive of absolutely everyone and their self professed identities, because safeguarding is paramount.

This person doesn't want to get changed with men who have penises.

Guess what?

Neither do women.

“In addition to male and female changing rooms, our gyms offer separate changing facilities and we support members to use the changing facilities that are best for them and take into consideration other members.

Funny how TRAs only want that consideration to go one-way.

I'd strongly consider joining puregym on the basis of their common sense and consideration for everyone, if I was in the market for a membership.

"She said 'I’m afraid you have to leave' because someone was made uncomfortable by me being in there."

They don't like it up 'em , do they?
Yet if they are "uncomfortable" then the entire world must immediately spin to their satisfaction.

And I promise i'm not being obtuse. I'd just like to know why the comfort of that 1 person is more important than the comfort of the other people in the room.

I'm still slightly lost on this.

So, 1 changing room full of people with penises. 1 changing room full of people with vaginas.

Person with penis is not comfortable in changing room with other people with penises, the same as theirs.

Room of people with vaginas are not comfortable with person with penis being in their changing room.

And yet the feelings of the person with the penis somehow trumps the feelings of a room full of people with vaginas.

Why?

Told 100% from the TW's perspective. TW wants us to think about what it's like for a TW have that experience. But I have an idea: why doesn't the TW think what it is like for a lone woman to be faced with a male body in the changing room? Nah, didn't think that would happen.