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Boys can have periods! The Times

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feministfairy · 17/12/2018 01:25

The Times continuing with their sterling work highlighting the abusive gaslighting that some trans organisations are aiming at young children:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boys-can-have-periods-too-primary-pupils-are-taught-hg5lb85mp?shareToken=bf028da27e4885097916a2efdd3e5b19

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Galvantula · 19/12/2018 12:56

So it was never discussed on Radio Scotland, after Kaye read out the bit about Brighton and Hove Council and asked how people talk to their children about gender issues.

I went back and listened just in case.

Melamin · 18/12/2018 22:04

It's like bluddy tupperware. Angry

HestiaParthenos · 18/12/2018 21:22

And it's women! Women who are doing the explaining! Women who are pressuring the "wtf" women to be nice, play nice.

It is almost always women, in my experience.

The only male I ever witnessed preaching about genderism was trans himself, so had something to gain by it.

Only women shit on other women for no reward at all - they don't even get the male approval they so crave, not really, in most cases there's no trans identified males there to witness their obedience and pat their heads.

It is like there's a little male in their heads who gives them a cookie after they do some handmaidening. Hmm
Some psychological stuff, like their brain pathways are conditioned to release happy hormones?

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WomaninBoots · 18/12/2018 20:04

Oh god it's driving me mad. This article has been shared by a couple of friends on Facebook with "wtf" style comments. Buy then someone pops up and starts "educating" them and saying how vile Transgender Trend is etc etc. And I don't get it, don't get it at all. The only thinvthaf separates men and women is biology. Nothing else. No special feelings. Just did you get lumped with a male body or a female body. If I was a believer I'd probably be saying I was non binary or something because I have very little identity with what society says a woman should be... but I'm not a believer. I'm just a woman. And that should be ok. But people are so so deep in the shit that is gender that they have to twist and turn and wriggle their way out of it. Instead of being able to see that it's just bloody nonsense and disregard it entirely.

And it's women! Women who are doing the explaining! Women who are pressuring the "wtf" women to be nice, play nice. That is infuriating. And I'm so mad at myself because I just can't make myself get involved because I'm so fucking depressed right now anyway that I just can't take that emotional hit of disagreeing so fundamentally with some people who I've always considered good friends.

BlackForestCake · 18/12/2018 19:59

What about people who are binaryfluid or demibinary?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/12/2018 19:59

What new hell will 2019 bring?

AspieAndProud · 18/12/2018 19:58

The binary and non-binary binary is so 2018.

There has to be an alternative that is neither binary nor non-binary.

Trying to fit everyone into the binary and non-binary binary is oppressive.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/12/2018 19:45

Yup. Of they’ve got the equipment...

BlackForestCake · 18/12/2018 19:44

It says 'trans boys and non-binary people may have periods.' which you may not like, but is true.

You know why it's true? Because they're girls.

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Galvantula · 18/12/2018 19:30

"Colonialists" 😂😂😂

LangCleg · 18/12/2018 19:29

I love you, Materialist!

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/12/2018 19:03

I’m imagining a student doctor failing his finals for confidently starting that ‘males menstruate’.

Galvantula · 18/12/2018 18:51

It'sall that material for P2 is mad.

The doctor says what sex a baby is.

And this balls

"A non-binary person does not want to change their sex, they want to be who they are without having to be seen as a man or a woman"

I agree with the article. A perfect opportunity to say being GNC is fine, but no you have to be non- binary or the opposite sex. Hmm

JellySlice · 18/12/2018 12:57

I can't answer that. I don't know. You'll have to ask a member of the faith.

HestiaParthenos · 18/12/2018 12:34

According to trans ideology, transboys are a subcategory of boys. After all, 'TWAW'.

Indeed.

But if a subcategory of boys can have periods, how are actual boys to know that they can't? They either see through the ruse and realize that "transboys" is just another word for "tomboy", (which the teachers then probably are advised to argue against ...) or they'll wonder how to tell if they are "menstruators" or "not-menstruators".

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/12/2018 12:34

Re Scotland there are some bits here:

scottish-women.com/2018/08/27/guidelines-for-schools-to-be-rolled-out-next-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Galvantula · 18/12/2018 12:29

Well it was announced but I missed whether it was talked about. 😳

Galvantula · 18/12/2018 11:27

Discussing this on BBC radio Scotland just now....

merrymouse · 18/12/2018 08:55

The policy has been developed by Chella Quint, who seems to be fairly sane in this article:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/16/free-tampons-schoolgirls-menstruation-period-education

It's just that for some reason when feminism and trans ideology clash, women lose. There is awareness that women are disadvantaged by having periods, but because it's rude to explain who women are it's very difficult to see how progress can be made.

merrymouse · 18/12/2018 08:43

I would just like to point out that the report does not say 'boys can have periods'. It says 'trans boys and non-binary people may have periods.' which you may not like, but is true.

I have copied and pasted the Brighton and Hove schools policy. To be fair, it's part of a larger document that talks about women, but the bit that relates to menstruation and schools is confusing.

Schools are encouraged to say

‘girls and women and others who have periods’, which is not true. People who have periods are women.

There is no point trying to be 'period positive' if you can't talk about the biological traits that women share, but instead talk about 'gender'. Why on earth would you have single 'gender' sessions to talk about periods?

present.brighton-hove.gov.uk/Published/C00000968/M00009226/$$Supp30547dDocPackPublic.pdf

SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION

  1. The #periodpositive charter approach in Brighton & Hove Schools
#periodpositive and the #periodpositive charter programme have been developed by Chella Quint In a #periodpositive school:  Periods are talked about in schools openly and without stigma or shame, and staff receive targeted training to ensure this is supported school-wide  The school regularly audits the ease of menstruation management and makes improvements according to pupil need, including providing information about reusable and disposable menstrual products or the products themselves as appropriate, and this provision is promoted and known about by all.  All pupils and students from year 4 receive age and development appropriate period education within a planned programme of relationships and sex education.  Pupils with very early onset puberty and trans pupils and students are provided with additional support perhaps from a school nurse, if needed.  Learning about periods is seen to be of benefit to all genders.  When appropriate and with careful management single gender sessions are provided for in depth, safe discussion about managing periods. Pupils and students are involved in developing learning about periods and puberty along with staff, who will receive support to write lessons using best practice. Lessons are unbranded, taught by trained staff, factually accurate, up-to-date and well-researched, with learners’ needs in mind, and regularly evaluated with pupils and students.  There is excellent communication to other members of the school community including, parents and carers about the content of lessons.  Lessons include the biological, social, emotional and practical elements of having and managing a period and including self-care and menstrual well-being.  Lessons on periods complement lessons on body parts, puberty, human reproduction fertility, puberty and reproductive health, with an awareness of physiological differences and medical conditions related to reproductive health and healthy menstrual cycles.  There is a cross-curricular approach to learning about periods, particularly in science and PSHE but also in media studies, PE, maths, graphics, and textiles Appendix 1   493  Adults avoid the language of ‘sanitary hygiene’, ‘sanitary products’ and refer instead to periods and menstruation, pads and menstrual products.  Language and learning about periods is inclusive of all genders, cultures, faiths and sexual orientations. For example; ‘girls and women and others who have periods’.  Adults adapt learning so that it meets the needs of SEND pupils and students and seek expert advice if needed for example to support children with sensory needs or physical impairments.  There are links to information about periods on the school website for parents and carers so that they can support this learning, and additional training opportunities offered for staff and parents. Key messages for learning about periods:  Periods are a natural and normal part of the menstrual cycle and of human development and growth.  Periods should not stop someone from doing things they usually do, but might be a time to focus more on self-care and menstrual well-being.  Periods are not dirty, disgusting or something to be ashamed of or embarrassed by.  Periods contain blood and tissue but this is different to bleeding from a cut or injury.  Periods can be something to celebrate and we can see this in ceremonies and celebrations across the world.  Most people who have periods, leak onto their clothes at some point.  There are a range of menstrual products available, including reusable products such as menstrual cups, period pants, and washable pads.  Menstrual products should be changed regularly.  Menstrual products should be disposed of appropriately, in a bin, not down the toilet.  Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods.  It’s ok to ask questions about periods (and signpost the staff who can offer support.)  If periods are difficult to manage or very painful, seek help from the school nurse or a doctor. Methods for challenging stigma and shame:  Develop positive messages (such as the ones above) and build self-esteem and period confidence.  Explore feelings of embarrassment and develop coping strategies.  Explore the social media campaign for the period emoji in challenging stigma and embarrassment.  Grow a critical awareness of any euphemisms or tactics of shame used in marketing of period products.  Support a pupil or student who experiences a leak or a stain on their clothes and safely challenge any unsupportive reactions.  Be aware that some abusive behaviours such as ‘skirt lifting’, ‘upskirting’ or ‘groping’ may cause even greater impact on those with a period.  Consider using older students to support younger ones with menstruation management.
DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 18/12/2018 07:26

Schools should be teaching the scientific facts behind biology, not some nonsensical feelings about gender.

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