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Sally Hines is writing female out of feminism- I'm terrified

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CrazyToast · 16/12/2018 14:48

I've just seen this on twitter. 'Female' is only something anti trans people say and is not relevant to feminism. What if feminism becomes undermined too? Are they trying to take our only weapon and safe place? Why try to take away the biological needs of women rather than add those of trans women? How can this person think they are qualified and justified in re-defining feminism to exclude something fundamental to the majority of women?

My blood ran cold when I saw it because Sally Hines is an academic receiving a lot of funding to do this research.

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Oncewasblueandyellow · 26/04/2019 22:16

Errol
But why does she think this 'work' needs doing That's the magic question isn't it? Why, why is this happening at all?

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/04/2019 22:15

Thank you for sharing that thread - how refreshing to see such clear eyed sense from those teenagers, that's the most hopeful thing I've seen in a while.

BettyDuMonde · 26/04/2019 22:12

I like Salvador (16, London). I’d like to shake his hand/give him a high five/buy him a drink (in 2 years).

Can we send Sally Hines off to Evergreen College for a bit? I’d love to watch her board The Equity Canoe.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/04/2019 21:57

she is disagreeing and basically saying more work to be done.

But why does she think this 'work' needs doing? Apart from justifying her job, what earthly purpose does it serve except to muck up kids?

Teach toleration and acceptance of genuine diversity, yes - but FFS let the poor kids alone.

Oncewasblueandyellow · 26/04/2019 21:34

What is the phrase they use... "Re-educate" .

Oncewasblueandyellow · 26/04/2019 21:32

ByGrabthars
It's not just bandwagon jumping, its active social engineering yea I got that feeling too, like how do we move forward and change their minds? Very strange when the teenagers are expressing their views very honestly and you would think Sally heins and crew wouldn't want these results in the open but when you read the twitter feed of the person who tweeted the slides she is disagreeing and basically saying more work to be done.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 26/04/2019 20:27

The thread those screen shots come from is really interesting:

twitter.com/SaeBeverley/status/1121396953194160128

By Hines' own data this isn't washing with young people. They're confused by it, overwhelmed by all the new choice and language, feel pressured to "perform" as if they understand it, and mostly abandon it once they leave school by the sounds of it. They think it's indulgent and privileged to be harping on about gender and pronouns when there are real problems in this world. But, what's also clear from that thread, is that this is about engineering a social trend, not responding to one that's arisen organically. This is the "queering the classroom" bit of the No Outsiders programme. It's not about supporting those who reject "the binary", it's about actively trying to break it as a concept for everyone. And they're specifically targeting young people because their "liberal individualism" (read: "special snowflake syndrome") makes them prime targets to lap it up. It's not just bandwagon jumping, its active social engineering. That's why they need "real" trans children to be a thing and won't countenance external factors like ASD and social contagion. Without teenagers willing to take medication and surgery, it's just frivolous nonsense from rich white kids with silly hair. This research isn't being gathered to understand the phenomenon, being gathered to refine the branding.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/04/2019 20:03

Seems like teenagers are fed up with all this and think there are more important things,like climate change.

They'd be right. (I can't be the only person rather delighted by Greta Thunberg, a 16 yo girl in pigtails.)

Oncewasblueandyellow · 26/04/2019 19:32

Seems like teenagers are fed up with all this and think there are more important things,like climate change.

Oncewasblueandyellow · 26/04/2019 19:30

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Oncewasblueandyellow · 26/04/2019 19:30

Slides here as screenshots from twitter

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Oncewasblueandyellow · 26/04/2019 19:28

Crazytoast have you seen Sally's twitter page from yesterday? Sally didn't put this up her self but retweeted someone who did.
@sally_hines
and
@karencuthbert
presenting findings from their project looking at gender diversity for young people #BSA2019

Goosefoot · 26/04/2019 18:44

"whereas I cannot think of a single society that did not know that women got pregnant and gave birth. If you study anthropology every society in the world has or has had roles defined by sex."

It's probably in part because of birth control that we could have this kind of social confusion at all. It would be difficult for any traditional society to ignore the physical ramifications of sex. It's probably part of the reason that men were more often the ones able to exist as a third sex, and when women did, or otherwise acted in men's roles, they tended to be celibates.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/04/2019 17:32

Who died and left Hines the new Queen Of Feminism?

I think she's made herself its Court Jester.
In case anyone missed it before, I don't believe we need to take anything she says re 'female' remotely seriously

mobile.twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1110916692996182019

WelshMoth · 26/04/2019 09:44

Sally Hines - you are female. Whether you want to describe yourself as a woman or not is entirely up to you. I do wonder though, whether you see the endgame results of the ideology you peddle.

HorsewithnoPhD · 26/04/2019 07:57

..legal rape zone..

...is the right thing to call it in my opinion.

TerryWogansWilly · 26/04/2019 07:27

Who died and left Hines the new Queen Of Feminism?

TheInebriati · 25/04/2019 22:22

When have women ever had this much power? We've had to fight for everything, and the smallest advance has produced a backlash of resentment out of all proportion.

AverageAvenger · 25/04/2019 22:21

I’m, if not terrified, then...chilled to the bone.

Leeds. Dark, dark times. Living in this city with Hines, Mermaids, Council Self ID, women barred from public buildings, legal rape zone, Breast Binder Library...is downright sinister.

Barracker · 25/04/2019 22:13

Big circles are circles
Red circles are circles
Faint circles are circles
Round circles are circles

Therefore

Square circles are circles

#HinesLogic

Rubidium · 25/04/2019 22:02

Thanks Donkey for your post. Whenever the TRAs and woke blokes bring up Two Spirit people etc. as a justification for transgenderism I always want to ask whether any of these Two Spirit-type people menstruate and if so, do they have to use the menstrual hut. Your post confirms my suspicion that the answer to my (first) question is probably 'No'.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 25/04/2019 21:21

My strong impression is that she has learnt lots of long words but doesn’t really know what they mean. Hence arguments are a load of meaningless waffle.

terfsandwich · 25/04/2019 21:20

She never says "white middle class women are..."
Why not?

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 25/04/2019 21:01

Heard Sally Hines on the radio. Frankly not the sharpest tool in the box. Kathleen Stock mincemeated her.

Trousering · 25/04/2019 20:45

It is astounding to me how postmodernist academics can overlook power dynamics so completely

They aren't overlooking it. They are a product of it and have accepted the cash to espouse their subservience to it.

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