Are women hated because we are weak?

I agree it's down to fertility.
Men have no idea if they are the father.
We don't need many men and then we only need 'good stock.'
Women on the other hand are invaluable.

Interesting Hestia I've never looked at it from that angle.

Some societies hold women in very high regard

Which societies would that be?

Certainly not any that have much of an influence on the world in general.

Perhaps the biological basis is not that men are inherently assholes, but the fact that it profits them so immensely to oppress and exploit women, the fact that exploiting women enables them to wage war against other societies and win, means that patriarchy dominates the world.

Is because women can have children and men can't?

Yes.

Men certainly don't hate us because we aren't as strong, physically. (And they lie about the contributions to society.)

Take a look at other people hated by the white men in power:

Black men aren't physically weaker than white men. Indeed, they and black women were (and to some extent still are) stereotyped as, if anything, physically stronger by the white men exploiting their labour. Black women were considered plenty strong enough to do hard physical work while white women of the upper class were locked away and forbidden from even riding a bike for fear it might damage their uterus - or that's what men claimed it was about.

So, it is that the white man despises others because they are not as clever as him?

We only need to look at the average playground where a boy is bullied because he works too hard for school. (They'll still want to copy his homework, though)

Man hates what he envies and what he wants to exploit.

Excuses will be found as to why those he wants to take advantage of do not deserve better, but they will be no more than excuses, and he will work hard to keep the illusion.

Women are prevented from leaving the house, then blamed for "not contributing to society", not allowed to get education, then called stupid, not allowed to do any sport whatsoever, then called weak.

Slaves were not allowed to attend schools or learn anything, in order to uphold the illusion that they were inherently stupid.

Trying to prove to men that we are strong, that we are clever, that we are worthy of being treated as human, is futile.

They know all this only too well.

White man lost interest in exploiting black people's labour when science meant that machines were cheaper, anyway.

Interest in exploiting women's reproduction, too, decreased when not so many workers were needed anymore.

We like to think slavery was abolished and women's rights were recognized because we worked so hard for it and because men became better people - but ultimately, there is no proof for that.

There is, however, plenty reason to suspect that most of societal change occurred because exploitation wasn't as profitable anymore.

So, yeah, sorry, there is no hope to make men see that we are human and then, as if some switch was flipped, they will treat us with respect.

They will treat us with respect as long as they don't lose too much by doing so.

Men were happy to let some women have jobs as long as most women were still forced to be sexually available to men in order to survive. (Men were especially happy to do this when there was a surplus of women after the war)

Now that lots of women have jobs, and many decide to not be sexually available to men, there's a backclash, and it is all about enforcing male access to women. Porn, Prostitution, taking away women's privacy in hospitals, shelters and prisons.

I don’t buy the “ there must be a biological basis” line, because my understanding is that hatred is not consistent across space and time.

Some societies hold women in very high regard. Although they tend to also have greater sex separated roles , which is typically a biological thing, women feed babies,men do the more physically demanding ( speed and strength) roles. Some societies have this sex specific roles without the assumption that the female roles are less worthy.

So perhaps it’s related to a fear of losing their role in life. Lack of confidence in their ability or fundamental worth. Perhaps it’s the type of society have where high status is possible , which builds in inequality , where even the slightest weakness, like taking time out to give birth means you can’t be the top of the heap

I think men can't take any responsibility- if they fail they blame us,

Eve in the garden led Adam into sin

Actually I think Eve was bloody clever and sensible and said knowing wrong from right sounds fabulous and better than staying ignorant and being controlled

But man couldn't handle the truth that the woman was pretty cool and helping them both so decided she was evil and leading wrong and so it must be punishment that the universe trusted them to carry on the human race

What we should do instead is stay controlled and ignorant in a nice little garden and look pretty

And that's been the battle ever since

Of course if any of it was actually true has not been an important detail in that myth

And after that, 40s and 50s, when we cease to be noticed we often find our voices, and notice how the world works for those younger women still enduring oppression. It’s why so many of us come out fighting.

Women in their late thirties and early 40s are amongst the most despised women on Earth, especially Western women. Why? Just TRY and control us, that's why. And we're still fertile. We can put whatever baby we want into our uterus and they cannot stop us. And they hate us for it.

This.

It's incredibly easy to persuade a not very bright 19 year old to take their clothes off for money

There was no need for the nasty "not very bright" comment.

I really don’t agree with your assertion that there are all these people out there hating women. I think most people like women

I agree. Comments like this
Women in their late thirties and early 40s are amongst the most despised women on Earth, especially Western women come across as bonkers and are no help at all except preaching loudly to the like- minded.

No I agree. Men have an instinctive terror of becoming superfluous. That's why they fight so hard and do so many stupid, selfish things to give their life a heroic arc.

Maybe it is male survival instinct.

Let’s face it, to continue the human race, the world does not need men apart from their sperm.

It’s survival instinct, they have to maintain control and the patriarchy in order not to become irrelevant and extinct.

It seems far fetched...I don’t know.....just thinking aloud....

Seems something very primal and subconscious.
Evolutionary biology must have something to say about this.

I get this vibe from some of the young arrogant male colleagues who are junior to me.

I think it’s their arrogant superiority (or inferiority?) complex , it’s as if they can’t stand the thought that I got o my level being a woman and they are better than me.

you dont hate weak people. you pity them. you hate competition and people that are potentially better than you.

Came across this piece a while back (on 'womb envy'):

medium.com/applied-intersectionality/i-bet-youve-never-heard-of-womb-envy-and-i-bet-you-re-exemplifying-it-804e1ec93687

I think you're asking the wrong question OP - perhaps consider why some men think they're entitled to dominate and subjugate women. Why do they think violence against women is acceptable in many forms? Why do they view women and children as property of theirs? Why do they think that women are lesser beings, unworthy of equitable rights?

It's nothing to do with what women do or not do, but a profound thinking error that governs all the behaviour of these types of men.

Women are hated for our strength, by weak men.

I also think the pressure on men to be strong/emotionless/boys don’t cry plays a role. It’s not a natural state, but stereotypes still demand it. There’s an envy of women, our abilities, our relationships.

The patriarchy lets men down as it does women, yet it’s still a woman’s battle.

Smash the patriarchy is what I say.

IT'S BECAUSE MEN THINK WE MIGHT TRICK THEM INTO RAISING ANOTHER MAN'S CHILD.

That's what is at the heart of this, and animal research bears this out. Human females have hidden fertility - nobody can tell when we are able to become pregnant. We are ALWAYS sexually available and often responsive and enthusiastic even when not fertile. This is not the case in most other animals and as a result you see considerably less sexual control and violence, even in typically violent species.

While heterosexual men enjoy this enthusiasm, they are deeply suspicious of it. They suspect that left to our own devices, we will be enthusiastic to EVERYONE and become pregnant with the uterus they consider reserved for their semen.

Further to that, until recently, there was no way of telling if the child a man was raising was his, his brother's or his neighbour's. The only way to ensure that it's his child is to control the magical tricksy vagina, and by necessity, the pesky 'person' attached to it.

COntrolling another person is difficult, and controlling an adult with equal rights to you is nigh impossible, so naturally it was recognised that women CAN'T be adults with equal rights to real people, otherwise how can we ever stop the constant flow of foreign semen into the vaginas women are inexplicably attached to?

Men are more hostile to male immigrants than female immigrants - they don't like the idea of foreign semen polluting the local baby holes.

Men like inexperience (youth, sometimes illegally young, virginal, 'first time' porn, cloistered/burkhas) and vulnerability (high heels, porn focusing on 'stranded teen' stories, impractical clothing) and high availability only to HIM.

It's incredibly easy to persuade a not very bright 19 year old to take their clothes off for money. We only see it being done to boys in gay porn. We see it done to girls all the time - and even when it's clear the woman in the pornography is considerably older than teenaged, she is 'advertised' as teenaged, like someone switching a use-by-date on a pear. We see it done by men, in short. And it's because youth, stupidity, vulnerability, it's all saleable, and it's saleable because it makes us controllable, and they want us controllable.

Women in their late thirties and early 40s are amongst the most despised women on Earth, especially Western women. Why? Just TRY and control us, that's why. And we're still fertile. We can put whatever baby we want into our uterus and they cannot stop us. And they hate us for it.

I'd like to know why

I think it envy about straight men fancying us and envy about our ability to be mothers.

I reckon some straight men hate women because they can't get laid, and that's obviously woemns fault.

I find women to be more capable and sensible than men. We're not as physically strong and we don't tend to take unnecessary risks, but most of the men I've encountered seem to have issues in a way that most women don't.

I think they have aggression and anger drives which make them unhappy. They seem to resent us because we don't have all that competitive stuff going on and that we don't feel the need to dominate anything and everything around us.

Most of the gay men I've worked with seem to hate women the most and I'd like to know why that is. Some of them have filthy mouths and speak about us as though we're subhuman.

So what causes the threat?

A simplistic answer would be the fact that we are equal human beings with brains and wants and needs and that threatens small minded,low self esteem men that need us to be lower so they can boost themselves up.

I'd say its because a woman can produce a small tribe from her cunt.

If sisters stick around with mum, this tribe can get bigger, and bigger and bigger as the generations stick with mum, gran and so on. It is huge power being able to produce a tribe and small army from your cunt.

Men need to be able to interrupt this power to take control.

Nah, people tolerate weak women. It's the strong they don't like. Hence the invention of corsets back in the day. Femininity was synonymous with weakness.