Are women hated because we are weak?

I just don't understand why the ones who complain the loudest seem also to be the ones who are the least willing to do anything about it

The ones who complain the loudest about male violence don’t do anything about it? Is that what you mean?

Also a bit fhmm at the claim a man with a jail sentence for sexual assault, battery or rape can simply "start again" with his head "held high". This is false. Usually any criminal conviction will torpedo your chances of securing good employment unless you are otherwise insulated

He’s a multi- millionaire so...

Also in the news, banker bludgeons a woman to death. While googling these, case after case, of male violence against women.

Women are hated because women are beautiful and strong.

That's why we are in the sixth extinction period. Beautiful and strong insects, animals and flora all on the brink on extinction because some ugly men choose to demolish this beauty.

I do not wish to speak on behalf of others but my interpretation of that notion from what I would class as a minority of feminists is not that they are feel powerless but that they feel it is not their responsibility.

I'm not talking about mums in general - I'm not a strong believer of class analysis.

I'm talking about feminists (minority of women) who claim that they're powerless and the problem is for men to sort (as opposed to society).

ScottCheggJnr, considering you're posting on Mumsnet, I'm not sure your statistics/opinions are going to be terribly well received.

I just don't understand why the ones who complain the loudest seem also to be the ones who are the least willing to do anything about it.

Likely, but the mother is the principle parental influence for a lot of boys who turn out to be violent men. It's not hard to see how this might happen if women take the view that there's no point in trying as they're powerless.

Also, there are already many women doing an amazing job in combating male violence - in law enforcement, the court, charitable sector, etc. It's just as well they didn't shrug their shoulders and leave it to the men.

ScottCheggJnr aren't all children raised by a single parent disadvantaged compared to those raised by two parents because of the reduced child-parent contact imposed by the need to provide for said child(ren)?

As men are the ones that hold the majority of powerful situations they are the only ones that can change it currently.

I disagree with this.

There is much evidence demonstrating that men raised without a father have increased violent/criminal tendencies.

Of course, the absent father is partly to blame for this, but to suggest that women have no influence over how their sons turn out is ludicrous.

GoldenWonderwall

You may think he should have been convicted of a different crime, or that he should be in jail for longer. But a prison sentence has very serious consequences for someones life, they don't just way away when they get out and start with a clean slate.

You seem to think that we make monsters by pointing out the violence?

Not at all, you seem to have the concept backwards. A less charitable version that you might be familiar with is "never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity", though the two do not precisely align.

elon that man currently has a conviction for manslaughter. Apparently Harriet Harman is trying to get it challenged as it’s obviously bullshit. Note that’s one of our few experienced women politicians trying to do something about it.

gronk well I wouldn’t do that would I because I don’t blame women for the violence that men in their lives carry out on them because they see it as their entitlement to do so. You seem to think that we make monsters by pointing out the violence? I’ve yet to meet a man who is a horrible arsehole simply because some people point out the violence of men as a class. I’m sure if this is all it took to change a mild mannered man into a hideous monster then you might have even encountered one in the south west.

Also a bit at the claim a man with a jail sentence for sexual assault, battery or rape can simply "start again" with his head "held high". This is false. Usually any criminal conviction will torpedo your chances of securing good employment unless you are otherwise insulated.

Cherries

Evidence ? Why would women being monogamous as opposed to having "multiple" male partners (without access to safe and reliable contraception) be considered "backwards" ? Where is your evidence that the "Europeans" and not Islam is what set women's rights in the middle East backwards ? Assuming things were even better for your average woman in 500 AD which itself seems a remarkable claim

GoldenWonderwall, that would be as callous and as divorced from my point as you saying to the same families that the mistake their deceased loved one made was allowing themselves to be in the company of a man.

Ok gronky you go say that to the families of the women who will be murdered by men who were supposed to love and care for them over Xmas and new year. It’s just thinking that repeated and consistent violence and control from men to women across the ages is monstrous that is the problem isn’t it? Not the violence and control.

Bet the vicar was a man too wasn’t he? Wonder why that was

In Asia, Africa and the Middle East,
traditionally society has been matrileaneal rather than patrileaneal — with women having multiple male partners. Things only changed after the Europeans came in and mucked everything up with their backward beliefs.

My experience may be affected by having grown up in middle class South West England but I disagree that women are generally hated. A phrase I heard from my local vicar as a child has always stuck with me "Think me a monster, and that which I do will seem monstrous".

You need to do class based analysis sometimes though - if everyone is simply an individual then any kind of unfairness is an individual unfairness and no trends or patterns can be ascertained as you’re looking at the pixels instead of the bigger picture.

A man has just got a couple of years for manslaughter for a horrific sexually based murder of a woman. This is the pixel that you can focus on (what a terrible man he is, that poor woman etc) but the bigger picture is he did unspeakable violence to a woman who was incapacitated with drugs and alcohol and he can walk away with his head and reputation held high after a couple of years in prison and start again because all our laws and systems are set up so that he can do that. Laws and systems set up that don’t see women as disposable lesser humans would not enable this.

Obviously not all men view women this way

This is why I don't like class based analysis. I'm sure we all know of many many examples of the men hate women narrative.
If I think of the couples I know, lots of them are in loving, respectful relationships and a few aren't, and some have split becasue of it.
So the "men as a class hate women as a class" doesn't fit in such a huge number of cases that it's pointless saying it, and you have to add "not all men" or "some men" which a lot of people on here eye roll at.

In my experience of caring for unwell, confused, and dying people, many of them ask for their mums and/or are worried about whether their mums know where they are. Dads are mentioned much less often (rarely, I would say). Obviously it’s nowhere near being a scientific study and I offer no explanation for this.

The most common cry of dying men in battle or accident is 'mother'

And on what evidence is this claim based on?

Elon men may compete with each other ..though NAMActually ..but the role of women is a constant even if it's absent . The most common cry of dying men in battle or accident is 'mother' .