Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

Just listening to the Mermaids 'training' audio. The presenter has just been challenged over faux suicide stats. She has zero answers/lies for eacg challenge.

Who is challenging her? Thanks to him, whoever he is! I chuckle each time he tackles her.

I heard Genderbread man earlier and groaned.

BeUpStanding Its amazing how much cobblers can be packed into one training session.

Am listening to this Mermaids training session... Fuck me, what a load of old cobblers. Do organisations actually pay Mermaids to come and tell them this unsubstantiated waffle?

humberella I put in an FOI request a coupe of days ago but only asked for the grant application and the assessment docs - I'll go back and add the other bits you mention

I can do it tomorrow afternoon. I have Xmas related errands and Xmas card writing in the morning (last date for 2nd class posting!)

I’ve looked at the Talk Guidelines. Maybe whoever censored my comment can PM me pricisely where I violated them. This place is becoming a fucking joke.

I can review (as in check/evaluate the research and its design if a trial or plausibility if theoretical) if there's a transcript.

O my goodness....
yes, calling Pencils Orchids & transcribers please.

Sounds like it would be useful to have a transcript of the Mermaids training session

BeUpStanding The training definitely needs transcribing and annotating.

Sounds like it would be useful to have a transcript of the Mermaids training session... @PencilsInSpace - fancy taking it on?

I skipped through that Sound cloud recording and each time I stopped it was just that woman talking. Is that what passes for training these days?

She seeks quite a lot of affirmation.
Doesn't answer questions.

Would be interesting to know if the training program is standard.

I skipped through that Sound cloud recording and each time I stopped it was just that woman talking. Is that what passes for training these days?

Andrew Gilligan re evidence for lottery review.

If the Mermaids talk is an audio version of the Genderbread person I think I'll pass.

I am listening to the Mermaids training session linked previously.

It will need serious review.

1. Lees had no contact or experience with Mermaids cos it didn't exist. This means Lees is talking about a fantasy of how they think life would have been with Mermaids. This is important. It's a fantasy not an experience.

2. Lees fantasy includes the idea that if Mermaids had been there it would have saved so much pain for them and their family. Now I don't buy into this. The family problems come from not being able to talk freely and through distortion of reality. Mermaids don't actually change this; it just provides an echo chamber. That's not necessarily good for everyone involved for a number of reasons. But the fantasy is more important.

3. The NHS is clear that in ROGD there is a high desistance rate. But instead we get some bollocks about reparative therapy.

4. Then we get some emotional blackmail and talk of mental health and nothing about comorbidity and just a bunch of anecdotes which are very sad, but not very helpful in study terms.

5. We have this ongoing myth that all trans people are the same and have the same needs and the same approach by professionals.

6. Mermaids are painted as infallible and unquestionable. How could someone come out and say their experience with Mermaids was bad in this political environment? Mermaids have tried to effectively monopolise approaches to care and support to be monolithic rather than individualised. Anyone who suggests something different is vilified and demonised as being evil. And yet that court case...

It's all yet more opinion and fantasy and propaganda and not a shred more than that.

It's unhealthy.

Can you imagine any health service getting reviews which are all 100% positive 5 star ratings? Mermaids seemingly do. Often from individuals who never used it themselves personally.

Outside of Gendertopia I believe that's what's commonly referred to as "extortion".

Haven’t RTFT and am in haste but if anyone is contacting BL using FOI then I would advise asking for the following very specifically:

• Application and all supporting material
• Name of grant funding scheme this application was applying to including criteria for funding
• Assessment and all supporting assessment material
• decision making process including panel membership
• Decision making panel minutes
• Recommendation comments

If you FOI you get only the minimum they can get away with sending and some decision panel minutes are deliberately pretty thin. Asking for all the above material should get you the full picture.

Yes but this proves the point-Paris has not had children-they can't see the problems regards safeguarding of children.....their arguments don't stack up.

LOL! "So you dared to question the holy Mermaids, eh? Well then we demand that you give them DOUBLE the money! Better not ask any more questions or we'll demand triple."

Fuck me ...

twitter.com/parislees/status/1074762455316881409?s=19

Is telling Big Lottery if they pull the grant they will be responsible for children killing them so really going to make them change their minds?

Haven’t they heard of #nodebate? Listen to the great minds in the subject and be educated.