Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

So if 50% of trans children attempt suicide (horseshit, but let’s go with it), and schools can’t inform the parents that their child is trans, they are saying a school should not inform parents their child has a 50:50 likelihood of attempting suicide.

These people are psychopaths.

Interesting that the birth name is needed in GCSE exams.
Not sure why that is.

I knew an international student at Univrsity who paid for trips home each summer by sitting A levels for other stuendets in his home country. The more interesting question is why deadnaming may/is being allowed within child protection frameworks.

JFC. Am I reading this right?

Jan said:

LGBT is not a safeguarding issue.

And then Jan went on to say:

Nobody needs to inform anyone outside of the school.
Only head teacher, support worker etc aware, on a need to know basis.

Keep this information safe and away from parents if necessary.

All of which are clear safeguarding concerns and put children at risk. Every paedophile in the land will see these failures and make a bee line to anywhere gender-questioning children can be found because they have been placed outside protections other children are afforded. Almost every Serious Case Review, in which a child has been seriously harmed or even died, highlights a failure of information sharing as a key cause. These people are discouraging information sharing. Not only that, they are encouraging parental alienation. Have these fools even looked at the dreadful outcomes for children who become estranged from their parents?

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Training for what? Telling lies to parents? Making them liable to possible future prosecutions for negligence leading to serious harm?

Interesting that the birth name is needed in GCSE exams.
Not sure why that is.

Just finished listening.
The questioning man asking pertinent questions that appeared to rattle Jan.

Jan said:
LGBT is not a safeguarding issue.

Nobody needs to inform anyone outside of the school.
Only head teacher, support worker etc aware, on a need to know basis.

Keep this information safe and away from parents if necessary.

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, (but in reality a person only has to show intent or propose their intention).

They want to change the ethos from the bottom up.
Sample policies are available to use.
(So you don't have think - my words)

Self ID in a nutshell.
Coming to a school near you.

Could someone just transcribe the highlights and a reference to the time it the audio. 100 pages of transcripts will put people off but a few pages of highlights could be widely circulated.

Because a man jellybaby brain said it? A woman jellybaby would have been attacked and thrown out.

The suicide bit was awful
The stats from the trainer was 45 % of trans kids attempt suicide
The guy challenged that
He said that if that is true then nearly 1 in 2 attempt suicide
And if parents are not being told by the school that their child has changed identities then it is a lot of pressure on the school
He als o said that Samaritans have said that weaponising suicide should not be done
The trainer said nothing

When the trainer said that we are either cis gender or trans gender and the guy asked well how can I tell what I am
What’s the gold standard for being a man
And the trainer said it’s how the jelly bear in your head aligns
Haha ffs

The trainer does not understand safeguarding and child protection frameworks.

This is a common issue with those advocating for trans rights

also fudging on the age
If nearly 16 good enough
15 and 9 months good to go

Yeah
Trainer was asked do we need to follow safeguarding
Trainer said no

Thanks Rowan. I will.

You will hear how teachers don't need to follow safeguarding procedures because of the word 'trans'.

You will hear the trainer just 'move' on over fake suicide stats, before getting angry that somebody questions the script.

I got as far as the light switches being either on or off, but a dimmer switch can be a spectrum. Therefore boys and girls must be on a spectrum

As BeUP has commented, it really is important to skip through the first part and listen to the second half.
Comments there re suicide, legislation, schools policies, sexuality etc

37 minutes in and losing the will to live. Was going to have a try at transcribing but in very noisy environment atm.

I got as far as the light switches being either on or off, but a dimmer switch can be a spectrum. Therefore boys and girls must be on a spectrum.
No science there, just ill thought out analogies.

Meanwhile,
The Helplines charity who provide the standards to set up helplines.
helplines.org/helplines/mermaids-uk
Mermaids appear to be merely offering support to trans children and their families. Their customer base self refer themselves.
No mention of lifelong medication or radical surgery. I wonder about the training of the person on the end of the phone.

I think I will go and listen to the second half of the recording.

I had a nice chat once about the definition of a disorder once. They said I was wrong. I pointed out that as a trained therapist I did have a grasp of the terms.

Aspie and Dandelions
You can report your deleted posts and ask why they were deleted. I had a discussion with MNHQ about one deletion when my meaning had been misconstrued, and they said I needed to explain what I meant more clearly to avoid this. My deleted comment was regarding the possibility that the transgender movement had been infiltrated by paedophiles in the way PIE infiltrated respectable organisations in the 70s.

I wonder if I've been clear enough this time or if this post will dissappear.

the second half was genuinely concerning. Even though I already know what Mermaids advocates, hearing it directly was still shocking and really quite upsetting. They really do need to be stopped!

I agree that the second half really does need to be listened to and transcribed.
There are some very serious implications of this flawed training and that the primary target audiences are children, teachers, police, health etc makes this more so.

So I listened to the full recording, and while the first half was cobblers and nonsense, the second half was genuinely concerning. Even though I already know what Mermaids advocates, hearing it directly was still shocking and really quite upsetting. They really do need to be stopped!

Bravo to That Man who recorded the session, and asked such pertinent questions. That the 'trainer' responded so angrily to his entirely reasonable concerns is also very telling, not to mention extremely unprofessional.

AspieAndProud

I’ve looked at the Talk Guidelines. Maybe whoever censored my comment can PM me pricisely where I violated them. This place is becoming a fucking joke.

It always is at night. I think they just delete anything that gets reported.

Its shit that you don't get any info on deletions. I have no idea whether have ever had a post deleted, could be on my way to a ban for all I know.
Maybe ask on site stuff

I listened to the first 10 mins where she came to the revolutionary conclusion we don’t all fit neatly into stereotypical pink and blue boxes, but then had to switch off when she started garbling on about different colour jelly babies for your head, heart and body, etc. It’s not based in science - it’s rubbish. Why is it allowed to have so much influence?

It is fucking disgusting that this Mermaids outfit was in line for a handout of £500,000, half a million pounds. Of money donated by ordinary people, most of whom would probably prefer children not to be unnecessarily medicated for life and physically mutilated, and sterilised at a young age.

Genderbread 'person'

It's all kicking off in the audio now!