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Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

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crsacre · 16/12/2018 00:51

A transgender charity that campaigns for children to be given prohibited sex-change treatment has been awarded £500,000 by the national lottery.

The payment to Mermaids has angered MPs, feminists and women’s organisations, who accuse the charity of bullying doctors, promoting falsehoods and using “emotional blackmail” to pressure parents to support life-changing medical interventions for their children. Mermaids will use the money to create a network of 45 groups nationwide.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-sex-change-charity-handed-500-000-by-national-lottery-dvbt7t2kb?shareToken=cd8d6faad97cd9dd3fe3f16eb3810f45

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/12/2018 19:17

Wow. Clearing up or in the parlance of The Equaliser ‘tidying up lose ends’

OrchidInTheSun · 18/12/2018 19:16

Everything's gone online so I'm recording the recording. I've got the 2nd half. Not sure about the first bit. Will try (although may be a bit dull from what people have said).

WrathofRancidKlop · 18/12/2018 18:58

I've already mentioned this on another thread...
I wonder if they will try to get an injunction on all this?

OvulaRasa · 18/12/2018 18:51

Thanks Orchid. The sound cloud link is gone, so hold on to the files.

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 18:43

It may also be worth summarising comments or questions from the trainees except for the man consciously challenging the Mermaids' representative's claims.

Its the training which needs evaluation.

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 18:38

Re transcription, do make sure that no comments by those attending the training session which may identify children they work with are included.
This information must be redacted.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/12/2018 18:35

I'm transcribing now. Bear with me

You are an absolute star!

VickyEadie · 18/12/2018 18:12

Simpsons voice But no-one who runs a charity could be a bad person!

Or someone who speaks German!

Glinner · 18/12/2018 18:05

Simpsons voice But no-one who runs a charity could be a bad person!

Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)
Needmoresleep · 18/12/2018 17:50

Enjoy!

OrchidInTheSun · 18/12/2018 17:41

I'm transcribing now. Bear with me :)

arranbubonicplague · 18/12/2018 17:14

very good thread from the indefatigable Mrkhtake2

Click: twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1075052199921807360

Glinner · 18/12/2018 16:56

very good thread from the indefatigable @Mrkhtake2

twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1075052199921807360

VickyEadie · 18/12/2018 16:00

Almost every Serious Case Review, in which a child has been seriously harmed or even died, highlights a failure of information sharing as a key cause. These people are discouraging information sharing. Not only that, they are encouraging parental alienation. Have these fools even looked at the dreadful outcomes for children who become estranged from their parents?

THIS. The core of 'Every Child Matters' and safeguarding training from then onwards was the absolute need for information sharing.

An example from my own experience a few years ago (but within the timescale of all agencies being trained that information sharing is paramount.

Parent of child at the school where I worked informed us (during a meeting with Head of Year) that her daughter had attempted suicide during the summer holidays. Not only were social services involved, but also CAMHS none of whom had seen fit to inform the child's school. Bear in mind the risk that this child was under of a subsequent attempt.

If we accepted Mermaids' "guidance" that parents should not be informed - and believed their own statistics (I know we know they're false) about suicide risk in trans kids - what a fecking risk that is!

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 15:01

R0wan - that chilled me to the bone and ties in with the 'we're still here' mandate - to infiltrate schools.

OvulaRasa · 18/12/2018 14:56

My post was deleted. I've hardly post, but I'll rephrase what I say:
I had a post deleted on the other thread. I have posted a couple of times but mostly read.

I was thanking A Giligam's article and that I sent my email as the mother of a GNC child who has been the object of attention by 'helpful allies' similar to those under Mernaids who overstepped the line and undermined my parental rights.

I also said that Mermaids still has the GPonline link to an illegal clinic who failed to pass the scrutiny to be registered. I also said that Paris Lee was mentioned on the site as an Allie and that they support each other. I said that despite PL considering life would have been better if Mermaids was around during PL childhood, the reality would be different if puberty blockers would have been administered and an underdeveloped genitalua (I did say peis) unable to sexually function would be part of PL experience. I also said I am not sure if PL has had any surgeries (I said SS) but the atrophy of genitalia would made such surgeries tricky.

This is what Mermaids is advocating for. Be not mistaken. Puberty blockers are very much in Susie Green's agenda.

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:29

by september Jan wants all teachers to ask their pupils their pronouns at the start of term

It is important to know where trans rights activists intend to try to effect change / control next.

THis is already happening in some schools in North America.

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:26

The trans kid has a right to go into whichever suits their identity
If anybody questions this the trainer said if a person was Jewish would you stop them using loo or chaning rooms and that stops them questioning

If a person resists they the resister should be given another place to go to loo or chaning room

This is also in Allsorts Schoolkit.

Claire Graham goes through the policy and legislative issues with the Allsorts school's toolkit with focus on Safeguarding frameworks:

Guardian article May 2018
Schools pulled into row over helping transgender children
As more teens come out as trans, experts clash over how schools should help
(extract)

"Stephanie Davies-Arai, a parenting adviser, launched the Transgender Trend resource pack in February half-term, thinking it would barely get noticed. Instead, she says: “It just blew up”. The LGBT lobby group Stonewall accused Transgender Trend, the organisation Davies-Arai set up two-and-a-half years ago, of spreading “damaging myths, panic and confusion”, and advised local authorities not to use the pack. On Twitter, people piled in, with one describing the pack (which had been checked by lawyers) as a “modern edition of Mein Kampf”.

Davies-Arai says she took an interest in the subject because as a child she had felt herself to be a boy, and she didn’t think it was a good idea to label children like her as transgender because she believes that in some cases, these feelings resolve naturally by the end of adolescence.

While the Allsorts advice states that “trans pupils or students should have access to the changing room that corresponds to their gender identity” and that in PE lessons, students “should be enabled to participate in the activity which corresponds to their gender identity if this is what they request”, Davies-Arai argues that shared changing rooms present difficulties for some girls. Few teenage girls will be willing to admit that they feel uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a biologically male student, she says.

She points out that the technical guidance on the Equality Act for schools suggests offering students “private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space” – the approach taken at Miles’s school.

Susie Green, CEO of the charity Mermaids, disagrees, saying the debate about single-sex toilets seems “engineered to whip up fear” and is equivalent to “arguing people of colour shouldn’t be allowed to use the same toilets as white people in case they make them dirty”. (continues)

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

silentcrow · 18/12/2018 12:19

Re GCSEs requiring real names: I can confirm this is a fraud/cheating prevention strategy particularly aimed at those who are doing exams independently at centres rather than as school students. (We check photo ID for sixth form and GCSE candidates are checked in by staff who know them on sight).

It also has safeguarding issues in that children using an assumed name who then must use their real name may then be vulnerable to being tracked down. Caused us a lot of headaches last year because as well as school staff and bank invigilators like me, we use a lot of agency staff as well so confidentiality has the potential to be quite porous.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/12/2018 12:17

fuck me. listening to that recording

by september Jan wants all teachers to ask their pupils their pronouns at the start of term

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:16

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Training for what?

To ensure whole-school compliance with Mermaids belief in absolute affirmation and acceptance that a child who declares they have a gender identity eg trans (or non-binary?) should be treated as having changed sex.

That the child's chosen new name, pronouns, access to toilets, changing rooms etc be completely respected as well as the fact that there has been a change be kept hidden.
Even (in some cases) from parents.

littlbrowndog · 18/12/2018 12:12

There was also a bit about loos and chaning rooms
The trans kid has a right to go into whichever suits their identity
If anybody questions this the trainer said if a person was Jewish would you stop them using loo or chaning rooms and that stops them questioning

If a person resists they the resister should be given another place to go to loo or chaning room
How that works erm ?

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:10

Almost every Serious Case Review, in which a child has been seriously harmed or even died, highlights a failure of information sharing as a key cause. These people are discouraging information sharing. Not only that, they are encouraging parental alienation. Have these fools even looked at the dreadful outcomes for children who become estranged from their parents?

Community Care (long running & influential social work publication) recently had an article suggesting that the ITV drama 'Butterfly' which was inspired by and based on Susie Green and Mermaids charity be used as training aid for social care workers.

OP stumbledin wrote:

"Good practice is based on listening to the child's needs and enabling them to express their wishes

www.communitycare.co.uk/2018/12/10/tv-shows-like-butterfly-can-teach-us-social-work-trans-children/

Only posting because the recommendation seems to be based on thinking the series was without flaws - not what one would want or expect from professionals"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3448221-Recommendation-that-Butterfly-used-as-training-material-for-social-workers

see also thread with resources / toolkit for social care workers, foster carers & young people within the care system, heavily influenced by trans rights activists (Tara Hewitt, Proud Trust whose patrons include Stephen Whittle & Christine Burns):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

Needmoresleep · 18/12/2018 12:01

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Training for what?

To increase revenues?

LangCleg · 18/12/2018 12:00

Is anybody sending this recording to the Big Lottery Fund, along with a copy of Working Together, the statutory safeguarding guidance?

FFS. It doesn't even matter if you are for or against child transition. This outfit should be investigated at once. If you're for child transition (which I'm not) - find a charity that is Working Together compliant and support that.