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Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

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crsacre · 16/12/2018 00:51

A transgender charity that campaigns for children to be given prohibited sex-change treatment has been awarded £500,000 by the national lottery.

The payment to Mermaids has angered MPs, feminists and women’s organisations, who accuse the charity of bullying doctors, promoting falsehoods and using “emotional blackmail” to pressure parents to support life-changing medical interventions for their children. Mermaids will use the money to create a network of 45 groups nationwide.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-sex-change-charity-handed-500-000-by-national-lottery-dvbt7t2kb?shareToken=cd8d6faad97cd9dd3fe3f16eb3810f45

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Glinner · 19/12/2018 10:44

Also, my lovely new friend Julia Robertson who writes for 'After Ellen' (about the only LGBT outlet listening to lesbian concerns about gender ideology) gave me permission to post this DM from her.

"The whole world has gone mad. Any rational lesbian knows this is abusive bc...well...look at us (this WAS more than half of us as kids).

Lesbians specifically said we needed men to speak up, because for anyone to listen, men would have to say it first. I actually said just that in a few articles I've written.

Obviously, you have tons of lesbians writing you in distress, as do I...Why do any of us need to be biologically related to you for you to help us out?..

These despicable homophobes have no idea... the ripple effect they've caused. The depression that I'm seeing in my DMs, calls my wife and I will take at all hours... We are the siblings and the parents. Young lesbians don't have many people listening or speaking up for them. I go off twitter for a couple of days and they get nervous and start DM-ing and emailing...

How dare they make such defamatory and wildly untrue statements about you. It's basic psychology to know that these kids have not even come close to reaching full cognitive brain development. It's also basic knowledge that a lot of us (even celebs like Ruby Rose, Rupert Evert, etc, that are gay) are grateful they didn't grow up in the world of now. I mean come on! At one point I wanted to be Ralph Machio!

This is child abuse. It's known that "blockers" are not a "pause button" ... Liberal studies show 3 out of 4 kids naturally desist when they're not medicalized* (most turn out to be gay & lesbian) I believe another is est 75-95%

...Whereas only 0-10% desist after they've been medicalized (with "blockers") in early childhood. It's gay conversion therapy. Anyone who looks at the numbers would know that. I'm working on this topic for an article. I had to read like 800 pages of APA guidelines.
All these people are liars. They are terrible terrible human beings.

The truth will come out sooner than later. People will eventually see what's going on."

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 19/12/2018 10:42

Well, the Big Lottery Fund don't fund campaigning or lobbying groups.

Lobbying is now in Mermaids' mission statement.

And that's even without everything else.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/12/2018 10:36

Not to mention that this is coming down from above.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2018 10:27

I am not convinced they will get dumped.

People want to look woke too much. Its a brand in itself.

Glinner · 19/12/2018 10:13

Another useful thread

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1075033888110624770

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/12/2018 09:52

I'm not sure they will get dumped.

Needmoresleep · 19/12/2018 09:50

Ovula, yes Camelot won't be happy with BigLottery damaging their brand and threatening their revenues.

My guess is that this will be the reason Mermaids get dumped.

LangCleg · 19/12/2018 09:32

I once applied for a Lottery Awards for All £5000 to run a weekly estate football scheme for 100 kids for several months. The ammount of bureaucracy and scrutiny was unbelieveable, and off-putting. Why would there be less scrutiny for something so much larger.

The last one I did was for stage lights for a community centre. Same. And nothing to do with contact with children or vulnerable adults!

OvulaRasa · 19/12/2018 09:31

Emailed both Dawn And complaints. Got a reply from Camelot customer care this morning:

Thank you for your email dated 18 December 2018 regarding the grant for Mermaids.

I am very sorry to learn of your concerns.

I would like to let you know that, although we are responsible for generating returns for National Lottery Good Causes, we play no role in the allocation of funding. This is the specific responsibility of 12 National Lottery distribution bodies chosen by Parliament, each with specialist knowledge of their sectors.

I would suggest that you contact the appropriate distributing body, the details of which can be found by copying and pasting the below web address in to your browser or by calling the National Lottery Funding Hotline on 0845 275 0000.

www.lotterygoodcauses.org.uk

Whilst I appreciate that this was not the outcome that you were hoping for, I hope that the information has been helpful. I would like to take this opportunity to wish you the best of luck in the future.

Kind regards

Nicola Murphy
National Lottery Customer Care Team

LangCleg · 19/12/2018 09:31

The sheer fucking idiocy of a policy that says "this group of children is at elevated risk of suicide - let's not tell their parents!" should be enough to justify the withdrawal of any pending grants.

Not just not tell them: actively work to prevent them finding out.

Let adults keep their secrets; hide things from parents; train admin staff to tell lies; bypass CAMHS - all of this is a groomer's/abuser's charter. Even if you are for child transition, you should run a mile from any organisation trying to isolate children and put them outside child protection frameworks.

The Big Lottery Fund needs to do some due diligence, and fast.

FlyingOink · 19/12/2018 09:23

The erase of transexualism and dysphoria as medical conditions was equally concerning.
Imagine if I said that clinical depression was an outdated term and from now on you just had to use the term "sad"....and anyone that ever felt even slightly sad came under the label. Instead of the x thousand people diagnosed with depression we now have x million people under the new sad umbrella. What happens to those with genuine clinical depression?
Good point

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/12/2018 09:21

Why would there be less scrutiny for something so much larger.

Because at a certain level you’re plugged into the right networks and it’s all chums awarding chums? Rather like the Jack the Ripper museum/diva stuff exposed by private eye recently.

Needmoresleep · 19/12/2018 09:16

It makes the grant all the more strange. My memories from a while ago of applying for grants is that
a) you had to confirm that the project was not controversial.
b) that you had to attach copies of essential policies. For a grant this size, working with very vulnerable (remember those suicide stats) children, safeguarding should be the first of those.

Do the BigLottery processes need scrutiny as well?

Note I found the safeguarding policy via Google, so there is a chance it has been updated, though I could not find anything else nor reference to Board minutes approving anything else. My experience of helping a children's sports club meet compliance requirements, was that this and other key documentation, had to be readily available to members via our website.

I once applied for a Lottery Awards for All £5000 to run a weekly estate football scheme for 100 kids for several months. The ammount of bureaucracy and scrutiny was unbelieveable, and off-putting. Why would there be less scrutiny for something so much larger.

Candidpeel · 19/12/2018 09:06

Just read the article on Huffington Post The Rise Of Anti-Trans Activism Is Harming Children, Not Helping Them www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-rise-of-anti-trans-activism-is-harming-children-not-helping-them_uk_5c1900b5e4b02d2cae8d5ecb?fbclid=IwAR037srMq9vrB24B4nugU54UhqN_ezxYz2uCLjM49BTpOGOpudRIRmkB7qI

Lots of unevidenced statements and non sequiturs

.... going through normal puberty causes potential 'long term harm' to trans and gender-variant kids

....."it’s hard for me to explain why something so obviously beneficial as support for trans and gender-variant children and their families should continue to be funded" (... no one is saying these children and their families should not not be supported. The question is whether Mermaids is competent to give that support! ).

I wondered how this passes for journalism, even in the HuffPo, so I clicked on the young writer's profile to their personal story about getting a double mastectomy because they is non binary Choosing Top Surgery Was Choosing To Trust Myself To Know Who I Really Amwww.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/non-binary-top-surgery_uk_5c06396ae4b0cd916faf5ade

Its bloody heartbreaking.

"the pain the gore and the fascination" of the surgery

"In the wake of years of throwing my ‘self’ bodily into the hands of external authorities - fiction, God, abusive men - I am still learning to abandon the stubbornly defensive ‘self’ that sprung up to curl tightly around the sickly, damaged version of itself it existed to protect. "

"The history of the unruliest parts of my ‘self’ is a litany of these objectively bad choices; the fact that, in the end, I don’t regret a single of them, is what underpins the quiet certainty that’s the last part of my consciousness to fall asleep with the surgical anaesthesia."

I still can't believe HuffPo and its readers are applauding at doctors removing healthy organs from the bodies of emotionally troubled young people.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/12/2018 08:59

Who made them god? Why do they decide who needs to know? What are their qualifications in this issue? What are their aims? What do they want?

Datun · 19/12/2018 08:40

*The sheer fucking idiocy of a policy that says "this group of children is at elevated risk of suicide - let's not tell their parents!"

And let's train schools, the police and the government in this too - said an IT consultant.

AngryAttackKittens · 19/12/2018 08:09

We fully endorse the principle that the welfare of children and young people override any obligations of confidence we may hold to others. Individual cases will only be shared or discussed on a “need to know” basis. Information pertaining to a child or young person’s gender identity of transgender status, will only be disclosed if directly relevant to the matter causing concern.

You know how we as a society protect the welfare of children, Mermaids? In part via our safeguarding regulations. Which the policy detailed above smashes to pieces like the world's most clueless, pathologically misguided wrecking ball.

If you care about the wellbeing of trans identified children you should be ensuring that they are afforded the same safeguarding protection as all other children, not separating them out as a group who non-related adults can choose to keep secrets about.

The sheer fucking idiocy of a policy that says "this group of children is at elevated risk of suicide - let's not tell their parents!" should be enough to justify the withdrawal of any pending grants.

cantgetridofthekids · 19/12/2018 07:14

As someone transsexual since childhood who has experienced many issues growing up I was very interested to listen to this.

The first part I felt was valid in that not everyone nearly fits into stereotypically male or female. It was actually a bloody good argument over why we SHOULDNT label children as transgender and the importance of removing gender stereotypes.

As the training progressed their conclusions just became ridiculous and confusing. By all means have an organisation of qualified professionals to support dysphoric children but to actively go out and train people to find problems out of nothingness is disgusting.

The erase of transexualism and dysphoria as medical conditions was equally concerning.
Imagine if I said that clinical depression was an outdated term and from now on you just had to use the term "sad"....and anyone that ever felt even slightly sad came under the label. Instead of the x thousand people diagnosed with depression we now have x million people under the new sad umbrella. What happens to those with genuine clinical depression ?

You don't have to erase Gender Dysphoria, Gender Identity Disorder and Transexualism when all you are trying to say is that not everyone conforms to gender stereotypes.

Never in a million years would I give Mermaids 1p for this nonsense.

Slapdasherie · 18/12/2018 23:40

With the script and the made up bullshit and the lashing out at anything less than 100% support, no tolerance of questions, it's like some MLM for wokeness.

littlbrowndog · 18/12/2018 23:20

Rowan. You rock 💪🎩

AngryAttackKittens · 18/12/2018 23:20

At this point any reputable organization that has at any point had ties to MESMAC should have cut them and made very clear that is has done so. The fact that a charity that works with children such as Mermaids would continue to have a relationship with "penis coathangers, staff having sexual relationships with clients" MESMAC is deeply concerning, given how clear it is that the people running MESMAC have absolutely no understanding of appropriate boundaries.

Datun · 18/12/2018 23:18

Following

Ereshkigal · 18/12/2018 22:24

To be honest as soon as I saw their tweet I guessed the Edward Lord connection.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 22:18

Edward and another director/trustee of Leathersellers, the Brigadier, are both Governors at Nottingham University.
Lord's father was a leather merchant...

Ereshkigal · 18/12/2018 22:17

I want to take a moment to thank Rowantrees for her work.

All hail Rowantrees , queen of all linkage.

You are a star.

Oh yes!