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Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

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crsacre · 16/12/2018 00:51

A transgender charity that campaigns for children to be given prohibited sex-change treatment has been awarded £500,000 by the national lottery.

The payment to Mermaids has angered MPs, feminists and women’s organisations, who accuse the charity of bullying doctors, promoting falsehoods and using “emotional blackmail” to pressure parents to support life-changing medical interventions for their children. Mermaids will use the money to create a network of 45 groups nationwide.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-sex-change-charity-handed-500-000-by-national-lottery-dvbt7t2kb?shareToken=cd8d6faad97cd9dd3fe3f16eb3810f45

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NotBadConsidering · 16/12/2018 23:36

I wonder why people wouldn’t be keen for this to be widespread knowledge?

SeaWitchly · 16/12/2018 22:01

I don't understand why anyone listens to Susie Green as an authority on trans or medical treatment. She is not a doctor, academic, researcher, psychologist or psychiatrist.
SG is an iT professional ffs who took her own child to Thailand for illegal surgery. And has been promoting extreme transgender ideology ever since.

Ereshkigal · 16/12/2018 21:37

Thanks Glinner. Will do.

welshgendercrit · 16/12/2018 21:17

There are comments under both articles now and the ones under Andrew Gilligan's are almost unanimous in being strongly supportive of what he writes and horrified at what is happening. Posy Parker has commented under her own name as has Stephanie Davies Aral.

Batteriesallgone · 16/12/2018 21:10

Following

Glinner · 16/12/2018 20:55

From a friend

"Can everyone write their complaints to Dawn Austwick [email protected] and urge others to do so. The grant has been confirmed but not signed off, there is still time to stop it and we need to force a review. Mermaids push an extreme ideological agenda, they are not professionals and they have no qualification to work with children and young people. Their approach towards children with gender dysphoria is experimental and non-evidence-based but we know that children treated in this way are more likely to embark on a medical pathway they don't come off once they start. The vast majority (around 80%) would resolve their feelings naturally by the end of puberty if left alone, and the most likely outcome is same-sex orientation in adulthood."

SunsetBeetch · 16/12/2018 20:40

I'm so sick of this "you hate trans people" fingers in the ears attitude.

Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)
SunsetBeetch · 16/12/2018 20:39

Slightly off topic, but someone who works for The Telegraph is spreading the Mermaids suicide stats

"Almost half of trans teenagers have attempted suicide at least once. What is the alternative to @Mermaids_Gender? Just letting all trans people kill themselves?! "

twitter.com/BethAshton/status/1074376709426855937?s=19

"Mentions now popping off with people who hate trans people. Blanket response to you all - I’m not one of them and your vile responses aren’t going to turn me into one."

twitter.com/BethAshton/status/1074401372672544770?s=19

The "vile responses" are people pointing out yhe suicide data is flawed.

Totally irresponsible.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/12/2018 20:37

Usually, gender critical comments tend to be hidden below the “more replies” bit on a twitter thread for me so they’re not instantly visible. Recently though, it seems to be the other way round, with the TRAs hidden away.

RubyViolet · 16/12/2018 20:17

Thanks for the email address Glinner, l will compose a letter tomorrow. A lot of these kids are too young to legally buy a lottery ticket, l can’t see how lottery funding can be used like this.

Bowlofbabelfish · 16/12/2018 20:07

West Yorkshire police hate crime unit that should say,

Oh dear.

Bowlofbabelfish · 16/12/2018 20:02

I was under the impression that raising questions about Susie Green earned you police visits.

yup, and I knew I’d seen something that linked them so I dug back through various threads.

There is a post ages back that says that in her TED talk susie green notes that a key member of the West Yorkshire police was her child’s ‘best friend’ during the time they were transitioning.

Hmmm

Glinner · 16/12/2018 19:45

hey, all! I got this from a friend and thought it worth posting here. Apologies if someone beat me to it.

"Can everyone write their complaints to Dawn Austwick [email protected] and urge others to do so. The grant has been confirmed but not signed off, there is still time to stop it and we need to force a review. Mermaids push an extreme ideological agenda, they are not professionals and they have no qualification to work with children and young people. Their approach towards children with gender dysphoria is experimental and non-evidence-based but we know that children treated in this way are more likely to embark on a medical pathway they don't come off once they start. The vast majority (around 80%) would resolve their feelings naturally by the end of puberty if left alone, and the most likely outcome is same-sex orientation in adulthood."

NotMeOhNo · 16/12/2018 19:23

Susie Green's tweet from South America a few months ago saying that if mistakes were made about affirming a child who turned out not to be true trans, it wasn't a problem because 'trans is not a negative outcome' was the most shocking thing of all. She appears to me to be an evangelist for sterilising and mutilating kids with abandon. Anything to affirm her dreadful mistake.

RedToothBrush · 16/12/2018 19:12

I was under the impression that raising questions about Susie Green earned you police visits.

Here we are a few months down the line, and asking questions about Susie Green is now news for The Times.

I do hope Susie is straight on the phone again this time.

WrathofbubonicKlop · 16/12/2018 18:40

At last we can see the comments are by real people making perfectly valid arguments.
I don't see any carefully stage managed 'brave and stunning' tosh we have had to put up with over the past few years.

Hackedoffwoman · 16/12/2018 17:13

This is gives a bit of background on Gires.
www.theguardian.com/profile/terry-reed

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 17:12

GIRES is interesting.
There's been some discussion on this board so may show up on search.
Their yearly reports including minutes from agendas are worth reading for who else attends.

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 17:09

I would be very uncomfortable sat on a TV sofa & many young people make the most of opportunities to live and work abroad.

The issue with Susie Green is that she is the CEO of a charity which has a lot of influence over the lives of many other people's children.

IMO it doesn't help to speculate over her current family relationships, not least as this is largely why Green has avoided a lot of scrutiny in interviews etc.

Mermaids trustees & staff are accountable, just as any other charity working with children.

Needmoresleep · 16/12/2018 17:06

Actually R0wan don't worry, unless you have some third source facts.

I looked at a couple of organisations in case my memory was tripped. One, GIRES, does not even say on their website, who runs it or what their background is - despite delivering over 50 training sessions a year, providing advice for GPs, and guidance for children of a TG parent. Qualifications, child protection... how do we know these people are not simply purveyors of woo.

Needmoresleep · 16/12/2018 16:55

Didn't something like this happen to another organisation for TG kids run by a mum and dad team where the DC went NC. (To use a full bingo card of MN abbreviations.)

Looks to R0wan...

All I can say is that Jackie Green looks very ill at ease in the photo, and lives abroad. TG or not, they are at an age where they might want mothers less involved in their lives.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/12/2018 16:36

I wonder what green would do if her child (the famous one) ever decided to move abroad, get a boring office job and stop being the poster child for transsexuals. Or if they decided that mummy hasn’t done the right thing after all and had in fact harmed them and decided that they wanted to cut all ties.

LizzieSiddal · 16/12/2018 16:34

I've sent an FOI request for the grant application and for Big Lottery Fund's assessment documents of it.

Thank you.

Needmoresleep · 16/12/2018 16:31

Someone is cross. and that was before today's article.

Needmoresleep · 16/12/2018 16:30

She's right and everyone else is wrong (and a Terf and hateful and should be reeducated)?