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Transpeople have higher rate of dv than women

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flyingdragonzog · 15/12/2018 02:53

Posted on another thread www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

Obviously DV is wrong and terrible whoever the victim is

But do they really? Or is this just putting facts in a way that says what the world is meant to hear currently?

If we aren't recording it as rates of DV on transmen and rates of DV on transwomen... and simply recording rates of transgender people who experience DV

I'm inclined to think if we recorded the rates we would still find out that natal men are the perpetrators of the most DV? Or does becoming a transman mean you become more prone to being violent to a partner?

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flyingdragonzog · 15/12/2018 03:49

It would be interesting if there was a serious study done on it but I think it goes for all victims of DV as to the reason you might be a victim - I was one

In my list of reasons why I'm sure self esteem, MH problems, childhood abuse, rape survivor, being in care in childhood and having been homeless at one time in life would add to the likelihood that I experienced DV, and I think once you have you are more likely to again. Obviously I will do my best to make sure that never happens but... I think it probably goes for anybody that some things make you more vulnerable to it

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KindOfAGeek · 15/12/2018 03:48

First define "violence."

Most of the stuff I've read includes ridicule as violence and has a lot of wiggly words not citing a specific percentage.

It's undoubtedly out there, but pamphlets that talk about the "unique challenges" trans ppl face, vs the challenges a natal woman faces (loss of income, social disapproval, failure of the justice system to take them seriously, retributive violence which are not unique, I guess.)

TW and TM are no doubt subjected to abuse by male partners. Failure to specify how and who is either sheer negligence on the part of advocacy groups, or deliberate obfuscation.

HestiaParthenos · 15/12/2018 03:33

But obviously if we knew we'd have any idea if it's true that simply being transgender makes you are more likely victim than being a natal female

How many people would you even be able to find who are "simply transgender" once you look closely at it?

In girls, transidentity is clearly correlated with autism. I don't know if autism is correlated with domestic violence, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Not being able to predict other people's actions by the subtle clues of body language would make them easier prey for abusers.

Hating your own body, something which is in the definition of transsexuality (if not transgender) is connected to low self-esteem, which would lead transpeople to seek out abusive partners. What is responsible for the violence then, the transness or the self esteem issues?

I don't think it is possible to distangle in a serious study, though I have no doubt studies can be conducted and tweaked to yield the desired result.

flyingdragonzog · 15/12/2018 03:18

Yes I did look once and found a few publicised examples of men who'd stayed in relationships with women who became transmen. So it does happen... but still I think the figures are probably not going to show that people who are at birth recorded as female are perpetrators of DV as much as men...

But obviously if we knew we'd have any idea if it's true that simply being transgender makes you are more likely victim than being a natal female

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HestiaParthenos · 15/12/2018 03:08

I am also pretty sure that most transmen, if not celibate, are in relationships with other females.

Whereas transwomen can have a wife from before the transition, or a husband from after. Gay men aren't into transmen, but men who identify as heterosexual seem to be rather often interested in transwomen.

So how violent transmen are doesn't really play much of a role, they can only hurt other females.

The dynamics of who and who doesn't let themselves be bullied into a relationship that is against their sexual orientation would also be interesting to look at.

flyingdragonzog · 15/12/2018 03:02

Yes I'm doing mental gymnastics here trying to figure this out

Statistics would be useful if they showed what actually is being reported

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HestiaParthenos · 15/12/2018 02:59

Transmen do seem to have more success at getting to the same violence levels as men than transwomen have vice versa, (I guess it is always easier to become a worse person than a better person ...) and I did witness extreme misogyny from TiFs.

If I had to guess, though, I would still say males perpetrate more (and more extreme) violence, and females are more likely to be victims.

flyingdragonzog · 15/12/2018 02:55

Hold on that doesn't work, scratch the wondering about transmen becoming more violent

It has to be natal partners doesn't it whether male or female... unless they include the couples where both are trans in this figure?

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