Transpeople have higher rate of dv than women

There isn't a clear figure SuperLamb. And certainly not by sex. Or a non woolly definition of transgender so people are talking about different things.

Do we have a widely accepted population % for trans people (by sex if possible?)

If so I'd be interested if somebody could extrapolate from those numbers how many trans deaths from domestic violence we would expect to see per year if their numbers are accurate. And then to scale that up to compare to women's deaths were populations to be equal.

I guess you'd have to know what % of DV statistically results in death of the victim.

I just don't know the numbers or have the mathematical confidence to do this, or else I would as I'm very interested.

Also, I would assume people with MH are more vulnerable to DV, so that would have to be corrected for. I don't know of this is possible with the data available.

It goes without saying that if the numbers truly are so high that is a major problem! However, that doesn't make it women's responsibility to tackle, I will eat my hat if it is women committing abuse.

I couldn’t see any discussion/references to DV, in the OPs link. I didn’t bother clicking on Stonewall’s report though, as their agenda is so biased against natal women that you can safely discount the accuracy of most of what they say.

We need clear data supported by the use of clear definitions and rigorous classifications to understand what is happening here.

If it is indeed the case that transwomen and transmen are suffering a higher rate of DV than women, that is outrageous (because the rate amongst women is shockingly high) and surely everyone would want to know an then be able to track the effectiveness of intervention programmes to address this issue. Which means clearly recording victims and perpetrators according to birth sex and gender presentation

It would be interesting to see if the rate of domestic violence was correlated to the amount of males in a relationship.

Would also be interested if FfJ and any MRA organisations were surveyed, what the statistics on self reported DV committed by female partners would be, and what that DV consisted of.

It's not difficult to find allegations of financial abuse such as expecting a NRP to pay child maintenance or emotional abuse such as leaving a marriage without permission. (And yes, I have seen it worded exactly that way.)

As mentioned in the Scotland Census discussions: without the statistics its impossible to pin down, is there a real problem, what is it, what causes it and who needs what services to help with it. And it's difficult not to become increasingly cynical as the definitions of words become so very stretched and overused.

You’ll search long and hard to find a mug who’ll bet against it.

Completely unrelated: I was arguing with a TW my DP knows on Facebook. They were berating me, in quite an insulty manner, for saying they are male, because in fact, I’m completely wrong, because I’m an evil bigot of course, and they could prove it. I offered up a pretty substantial bet, all my savings in fact, as a bet that if they take a DNA test they would be proved to be male. They blocked me.

I'll be willing to bet money that this statistic is as robust and reliable as all their other ones.

First, I haven’t RTFT

Does DV in this case mean DLV (domestic literal violence?) If so then possibly, although I still doubt it. If not, and we’re talking about boring old non brave and stunning DV, then no, I think we can pretty confidently say that that is not the case. Where are the two dead trans a week at the hands of their current or ex partner?

4 out of 5 incidents of domestic violence against women are not reported.

Even so, West Yorkshire Police get a 999 call about a male on female domestic violence incident every 15 minutes. That's just West Yorkshire.

In the official crime statistics, the number of assaults against an individual woman are 'capped' at 5. She may have suffered 20 or 30 or more assaults.

Taking a random day in the year, Women's Aid turned away 90 women and 94 children for lack of capacity

www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/dec/14/domestic-abuse-violence-women-femicide-review-refuge-cuts-in-numbers

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/domesticabuseinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017

I know somebody who was in a relationship with a cross dressing male.

He gaslit her loads and abused her in various ways.

But he said she 'misgendered' him and this counts as her having abused him.

I'd be interested to know whether perpetrators of DV towards trans people are male or female partners. This is one of the reasons stats need to record by sex AND by chosen identity. And yes, very specific definitions of DV and which categories most apply, and if this differs between TW/TM and women as to what they most often experience. Do women's aid keep any stats on the percentage of men, transmen and transwomen attending their groups and needing emergency refuge provision?

I do wonder if any of the transwidow posters might predict their partner saying or perceiving they had been domestically abused in their relationship, as it does remind me of Lundy Bancroft's several comments in different books about how many men he worked with who were alleged victims of DV were themselves actually perpetrators, and their perception of what was fully justified for them to do to others but what was definitely abuse if it happened to them were very different.

I haven’t look at the study in depth, but most of these that show men or trans women suffer high DV rates 8 crude things like “nagging” or “misgendering” as abuse.

In any event, even if it’s true, even if transwimen are being murdered by their partners at the same rate as women, what has that got to do with women? They can campaign for, fundraise for and volunteer at trans refuges and services. They can ride for murdered TW (less than one a year so pretty low commitment) the way Jean Hatchett does for women. This is not our problem to solve.

I've never yet come across a transactivism-promoted statistic that stands up to scrutiny, so I'm afraid I don't believe this one. If it's ever evidenced without obfuscation, I'll believe it. But otherwise, no.

The small dating pool theory makes a lot of sense

FlyingOink Those are both good points, IMO. I believe fear of being alone is acknowledged to be one of the drivers for remaining in an abusive relationship; and of course we know about the effects of testosterone from its use by some sportswomen.

"Transgender women are almost always portrayed as victims, with late-transitioning white computer programmers in the Home Counties weaponising the deaths of Brazilian transsexuals to bolster their standing in the oppression stakes."

From an excellent article

Mostly, the TG stats quoted by TRAs are from completely irrelevant sources.

Not quite a DV survivor myself (I have other scars), but I did put on a pair of sneakers when I was young and go door to door to raise money to help build a shelter. DV requires an intimate relationship - intimate as in romantic relationship or familial ties.

I know the population is small, and it's hard to calculate with statistical accuracy, but that works both ways. You can't say they face 2xs the danger as one "factsheet" I read claimed unless you have numbers. You can't say they face none, unless you have numbers.

The thing with "literal violence", that drives me a bit nuts. Verbal abuse is a category of abuse which can be hurtful and harmful, but it's not violence. It's one category, as is controlling, stalking, shaming.

Beating and killing is violence, and that should leave a numeric trail.

I just mentioned in the Daily Mail article thread the issue of lack of partner choice. I think whatever causes DV in relationships where a trans person is involved, we have to consider that staying in that relationship might be perceived as preferable to being alone. Trans people have a very small pool of potential partners (transwomen can often find males to have sex with them but not to have as partners, and there isn't a long list of females who want to have a "lesbian" relationship with a transwoman either) so perhaps that adds to the isolation victims of DV often suffer/are tricked into?
Transmen - usually they are with lesbians. However (and I might get told off for this) in their case the mood swings, aggression and increased sex drive caused by intentional overuse of the most potent anabolic steroid (testosterone) would suggest relationships might be more fraught and prone to conflict (verbal or physical). Just a thought.