Transpeople have higher rate of dv than women

YY. It's the trans community's own figures. They want to have it all ways. They can't. The large population means that they are not at significant risk of murder. And males who are not trans are at much higher risk.

If 1% of the UK population is transgender (660,000) then the figure of 1 trans person murdered in the UK per year suggests that they are far less at risk than the general population of men or women:

the annual homicide rate for the year ending March 2016 for males (13.8 per million population) was more than twice that for females (6.0 per million population).

Having a fragile identity that gets easily bruised by words used according to there normal meanings is not the same as suffering domestic violence.

Thanks stumbled in the GEO and Ipso Mori poll is impressively large, but biased (twice the % of young people than in the general population). I don’t discount the findings as a result of the age bias, but the sample does have issues with representativeness.
The findings are sobering and speak of a hard life of exclusion for many LGBTQ’s
However I did encounter the following:

“Waiting times for GIC clinics are far far too long, there is not enough of them which means people are committing suicide whilst waiting or turning overseas or to online website and dr’s to access hormones and drugs.” Trans woman, lesbian, 45-54, South West.

Which was probably written by a straight guy with his eye on the big phara prize, think of all the money to be made at a private specialist GIC clinic.

Also again the only ref to DV was a stonewall publication.. so can be discounted as biased on the off.

doesn't divide violence from "literal violence" and relies on Stonewall.

The Government Published the results of their LGBT Survey In July this year. And one of the questions was about violence. But the way it is reported makes it difficult to distinguish violence against someone who is trans and someone who is lesbian or gay.

You would think if there was a high level of responses of domestic violence it would have been noted.

they have published the highlights here www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report#the-results

Not sure if the full report is available.

(I had got the impression from various articles that the number of trans women who were invovled in prostitution was one of the reasons for high level of violence, whether from punters or pimps. Have no links for this!)

So am I right that no one has uncovered any credible evidence that trans people are disproportionately exposed to DV?

I don't I'm afraid. I read somewhere that was where the 1% figure comes from.

a prevalence of 1% of gender incongruence wouldn't that encompass gender non conforming homosexuals too? Have you got any more info on the study? Thanks

I agree. Not sure which study it was off hand.

That's not really scientific, I am quite sure there's a much higher percentage of transgender identified people in the UK than in the Netherlands.

Unless they let male prisoners into women's prisons in the Netherlands, that is.

Erish That 1% is interesting. In the US they say 2%.

IIRC the stat is based on a controlled study, I think a Dutch one, which found a prevalence of 1% of gender incongruence in the study cohort and which is extrapolated to the whole population of the UK.

If they count "my wife, whom I married before transing, misgenders me" or "my girlfriend, with whom I was in a lesbian relationship prior to my transition is attracted to my breasts and put off by my binder" as emotional abuse, I am not surprised at all that they get higher levels of abuse for trans ...

We need clear data supported by the use of clear definitions and rigorous classifications to understand what is happening here.

If it is indeed the case that transwomen and transmen are suffering a higher rate of DV than women, that is outrageous (because the rate amongst women is shockingly high) and surely everyone would want to know an then be able to track the effectiveness of intervention programmes to address this issue. Which means clearly recording victims and perpetrators according to birth sex and gender presentation

I've had a look at the statistics that Stonewall use to support their claim

One source of evidence is statistics showing the prevalence of DV against biological women and as TWAW they assume the same rates apply

The second is self reported responses to questions asked of the whole LGBT community. This data showed that all those groups (supposedly) had a higher incidence of DV than the accepted level for the general population, which was gained via different questionnaires/methods. Stonewall's data also shows that the trans community came out as having the highest incidence when compared to the LB and G. This could well be explained by looking at Stonewalls definition of DV and the questions they asked as trans people had an additional two questions that only applied to them.

If 2% of the population is trans that would mean they outnumber homosexuals.

Well. They do. At least according ot the definition of trans that is applied nowadays, which includes autogynephiles and girls who hate their developing bodies.

And trans certainly outnumber lesbians at LGBT events.

However, one does wonder why most people don't question the claim that more people are "born in the wrong body" - a disorder that one would expect to be rather rare - than are homosexual.

If you dissolve women's rights and spaces and reduce child protection - it is a logical consequence that the population mushrooms. Jus' sayin'.

Yup.

If you dissolve women's rights and spaces and reduce child protection - it is a logical consequence that the population mushrooms. Jus' sayin'.

If 2% of the population is trans that would mean they outnumber homosexuals.

Which sounds somewhat unlikely...

The last Office of National Statistics survey found that approximately 1.5% of the UK population is gay.

If 2% of the population is trans that would mean they outnumber homosexuals.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/oct/03/gay-britain-what-do-statistics-say

A friend works in a large prison. She told me they have 5 transwomen in there at present, all sex offenders. All decided to transition after beginning their lengthy sentences.

Some people's motivations or reasons for this bear closer examination.

I think if the 2% figure was accurate there’d be, in average, around two per train carriage I take to work each day.

There’s be three or four in my street.

I’m not buying it.

As far as the trans debate is concerned numbers are no more meaningful than words.

It’s always advisable to ask ‘who is saying this and why?’ when presented with statistics but my gut instinct on being presented with stats from trans advocation groups now is just to dismiss them out of hand instead of diving into a vortex of bullshit.

That's both sexes. By the definition of trans that they use (Stonewall umbrella inc cross dressing) it is logical that the majority would be male.

The Gendered Intelligence submission to the Maria Miller Trans Equality Inquiry gave 1% of the population and that is the one used most by the trans lobby. So 650k is their own figure.