Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

I don't even know if this thread will be here in the morning now the dumbass obvious goading has been replaced by night time earnest walls of lunatic text, but I simply must say this... Women of FWR, you're bloody fabulous. If lurkers didn't understand clearly how much certain men hate the very guts of women, they have had a clear insight here. You total beauties. I love you all xx

ffsnotagains

Have you read the pinned information by Mumsnet.
There are specific guidelines for this board in order to try to enable civilised discussion.

Its not neccessary to @ people.
Most would ask that you don't.

You seem to be making a lot of allegations. Perhaps have a read of some threads first before shouting at everyone? It's quite late after all (well in the UK)

You may have read and heard all sorts of things about this place being a 'transphobic hotbed'. Its not, but if a post seems to be transphobic, you can report it and the mods will delete if its the case.

this thread has been said to be useful to people new to the discussion:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Fighting for their lives and for basic human rights. The rights to be respected and not to live in fear.

And I'm a woman with friends who are trans and they are women through and through! So are men who who are trans and they are fighting for your lives while you fight to strip their lives away from them. It is exactly what happens with the gay movement and you are the ones spreading fear hate and prejudice which leads to actual murder. Just respect people's identities and get on with your own lives.

I think your Labrador would listen more attentively and be altogether more considerate and less mansplaining.

Especially if it were a black lab. I love black labs.

I'm off to bake some pies (they won't be mince, and they won't have icing)

@HumberElla it's ignorant to imply that discussing the ideology doesn't effect individuals. Would you be saying that if discussing the 'ideology' of gay people? No because it isn't ok. Have you seen the murder rates for trans people. It's not affecting you it's affecting them and they're dying because of it. It's hate mongering and it's not ok people are literally dying because of it. Respect people's pronouns and leave it at that and go on and live happy lives and don't put any more energy into this prejudice that you're trying to talk your way out of...it's vile and shows a basic lack of respect for other human beings that don't fit in to your view of what's acceptable for a human in our society. Do something positive with your time because this is just encouraging violence and murder no matter how much you try and de validate what I'm saying it's true. The world isn't safe for trans people they live in constant fear of violence and murder and are abused and murdered a fuck of a lot. As do women but it's scarier for trans people in our society it's scary for them just to leave the house and it's because of fear and hate mongering like this in the name of having a friendly discussion. Stop spreading hate!!!

Did Mr PJ leave just as the person shouting 'fascists' arrived?
Uncanny.

It's like trying to explain how banking works to your Labrador sometimes, isn't it?

I don't know, I think your Labrador would listen more attentively and be altogether more considerate and less mansplaining.

ffs nobody here is a targetting individuals. We are discussing the ideology, self ID as a belief system.

Firstly you can’t identify the sex of a brain by MRI scan

It's like trying to explain how banking works to your Labrador sometimes, isn't it?

And there are studies to show that trans people's brains reflect that of the gender they identify as.

No there aren’t. The studies don’t show that at all. Firstly you can’t identify the sex of a brain by MRI scan. There are more differences within sex classes than between on average. So you can’t scan a brain and say ‘this is a female brain.’

What they’ve actually identified if anything (and it’s far from clear if the signal is even real) is a possible signal which may be associated with a number of other things, including depression, reduction in sense of self (differences in volume of the insula.)

The studies are dissected in more detail here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3196135-Scientists-please-gather-round

The reddit thread linked within has some valid critiques as well.

MRAs must get really good overtime rates these days.

Night Bowl who I am in unicorn land :)

I hope these aren't Apple employees...

Generally I go with "hi, my name is X, lovely to meet you" but maybe that's just too British?

Looks like the night shift nutter has arrived now to take over.

You say upthread women don’t like you so much - do you have any insight as to why that might be?

Come on, you can't be serious. This man has been annoying more or less everyone here with his manly opinion, and I have lost my patience to the point I don't read his posts anymore.

I am quite sure he is well aware why women don't like him, and also that it can't be his looks. Seeing as women who can't see how he looks also don't like him.

ffsnotagains welcome to FWR.

It's an unusual way to join a board and a thread by shouting in caps and bolds.

Perhpas you & Mr PJ could chat?

Oh yes, women are responsible for crimes men do, and it is therefore women's responsibility to play mommy and give EVERYTHING over to those who are needy.

Do us a favor, ffsnotagains, sing another song.

A male industry has decided to undercut women's privacy. That's what this thread is.

Oh, never mind. It appears when I use an incognito window. I must have done something myself to hide it, although I don't know the forum well enough to know what. I knew if I posted that question I'd end up feeling silly for it immediately afterward!

Thank you for the thread, everyone. The guest star may have been infuriating but the responses to him were great.

Would not, rather.

Pretty sure that "grab someone's skull" would be the first place most people's thoughts would have gone there. I just showed that comment to DH and his response was "WTF?"

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say

11th rule of misogyny: Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.

Grabbing someone's skull is generally the only way to "force" someone to look at something.

Is that right? Quite an unpleasant thought...