Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

And humber I think that the vast majority of people would have argued not very long ago with you in exactly the same way you are arguing about trans people and their rights now that being gay wasn't an ideology.

I have to say, all this wishing death on people that ffs is doing is spoiling the Christmas spirit a bit.

/hoping dis respect, hatred, violence and murder based on a harmless aspect of who people are will die out with the people that believe it when they do. Yea I'm all for it.

I'm in it for the seasonal food!

I must confess a hankering for a mince pie.

Of course ideology affects individuals, you are right ffs but I was addressing your specific point that we were targeting people.
Being gay isn’t an ideology.
Yes i have seen the murder rates of trans people and thankfully in the UK it is extremely rare.
Nobody here is hating on trans people.

And flounce.....
I'll take that as a 'I can't answer that because I never thought of it but to agree there might be an issue would involve engaging some critical faculties.'
Sigh.....

Trans women are people who identify as women end of. Hardly anyone would come out if that wasn't how they truly felt because just on this thread you can see how they are de validated and disrespected on a daily basis and in general in our society. And they have to live in constant fear of violence and murder. It's insane to imply that the vast majority of people come out with malicious intentions and aren't really the gender they identify as. Night.

fingers crossed hate and prejudice will die when you do

Nothing says "Merry Christmas" like hoping that people will die.

Young people are the future so fingers crossed hate and prejudice will die when you do

Hopefully most of them will have good manners and some critical thinking skills.

Ho Ho all you want, I'm in it for the seasonal food!

Hey, let's keep the seasonal vibe going!

too early for 'ho ho hoing'?

I asked you a specific question. You have ignored it because it is problematic I suggest. Autogynophiliacs are included in Stonewalls trans umbrella. Are you saying that this is perfectly ok?

In the spirit of the season may I suggest paragraph breaks?

Hey, let's keep the seasonal vibe going!

Um yes there is it's called violence and murder and to ignore that is just extremely ignorant.

Google is under federal investigation for sex discrimination. So how does a tech company protect itself from that? Easy: they just re-label men women. Most of the TW counting as female hires in tech don’t actually physically transition. They just wear dresses and grow their hair out — and there’s been form for that in California since 1967. So they aren’t taking any kind of risk. That risk was taken decades ago by gay male drag queens, who paved the way for the current generation of transgender males.

Hopefully the thread will be able to stay on track as these are important issues.

I don't even know if this thread will be here in the morning now the dumbass obvious goading has been replaced by night time earnest walls of lunatic text, but I simply must say this... Women of FWR, you're bloody fabulous

Indeed. Love and kisses to all, and your popcorn and/or mince pies will be waiting when you get back.

ffsnotagains

Please don't @ me.
It sends an email notification & is not neccessary.

I said, most people don't like it.

The rules of the board are relevent to the substance of your posts.

Just a heads up.

Nah, mate. The only thing I'm complicit in is possible giving people cavities by sending them sweets for Xmas.

* 'So there is no fucking reason why they can’t use the men’s.*' Um yes there is it's called violence and murder and to ignore that is just extremely ignorant.

@R0wantrees clinging at straws there other people with my other posts (different username) have often @usernamed me and nobody's ever said anything about it. There's no rule against it I'm addressing people why shouldn't I put their usernames in my replies to them?

ffs
Thank you for making the case for what we might term old style transexuals. Ones suffering from body dysphoria. I think you'll find that women have generally been sympathetic towards such people.
Now would you kindly make the case for why autogynophiliacs should be treated as women. You know, the ones that get a sexual thrill out of dressing as women. There are way more men like that than transexuals. You do know they are covered by Stonewall's trans umbrella. So tell me why they should be allowed into women's toilets, changing rooms and refuges? Tell me why it is perfectly ok for them to act as girl guide leaders, take women's places in politics, academia and shortlists or work in rape crisis centres? Please explain why anyone questioning that this might just be a problem is a bigot. And when you gave cleared that up we can move onto the other characters that come under the trans umbrella who are even more disturbing. Or do you have a different definition of who is trans? (but be careful that could be transphobic).