Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

Sexual rights are for everyone you know

No one has a right to sex. Sex has to be consensual.

Of course it’s a men’s sexual rights movement.

1. Its main thrust in the UK is getting self ID through and reforming the GRA. That would make the Equality Act 2010 unenforceable, and that would mean gender replaced sex as a protected characteristic. That will strip women of their rights, all of them.

1. Groups like mermaids and all sorts promote ‘guidance’ to schools that are incompatible with safeguarding, placing gender questioning children outside the safeguarding framework and leaving them vulnerable to predators.

1. The only people who gain when single sex provisions are opened up to be mixed sex are men who want access to women and children.

1. Sex offenders have been involved in drawing up the rules for transfer of men into women’s prisons. - giving men access to vulnerable women. Women have already been harmed by this,

1. Stripping girls of any private space away from men erodes their boundaries. Telling girls they are in the wrong if they don’t want to change with a Male in PE erodes their boundaries. Telling girl guides they are in the wrong if they don’t want to sleep next to or shower with males is eroding their boundaries. Leaving them vulnerable to and accessible to predators

1. Channelling children down a route of puberty blockers, and hormones damages their bodies permanently. It creates s class of children with pre pubescent bodies who are over the age of consent. People are now pressing for even younger children to be given drugs, arguing Gillick competence applies here. That opens the door to arguing that children can consent to all manner of things. That’s a predators dream.

None of this movement is beneficial to people just quietly living their lives with gender dysphoria. None of it benefits women. None of it benefits children.

All of it benefits men and anyone who wants safeguarding dismantled, access to vulnerable women, access to single sex provision and access to children.

Toilets are just one aspect, but one which impacts almost everyone.

This is a men’s sexual rights movement. It’s the biggest challenge to women’s safety in a century

This is a top down movement. It’s aimed at total removal of women’s ability to be private, to congregate and even to speak.

Actually, it's just regarding toilets, which are just for urination, menstruation, and defecation, and have absolutely nothing to do with congregating or speaking.

It is a men’s sexual rights movement and I will fight it to the last breath in my body.

First of all, that's rubbish and you have no evidence for it.

Second, I'm bemused that you think "men's sexual rights" are a bad thing. Sexual rights are for everyone you know.

It's become common for big businesses to list a welcoming environment and cultural diversity as necessary characteristics for new investment sites. That’s because companies say this helps them attract the best workers.

I really enjoy working in my culturally diverse and welcoming environment. I work with people from twenty plus different countries, many religions, many cultures. It genuinely is interesting and I’ve learned a lot doing it.

In a culturally diverse and welcoming environment that doesn’t make me share loos with men. Many of the culturally diverse women I work with would be unable to use such toilets and therefore it would NOT be a welcoming environment for them. I’ve turned down job offers for non pleasant working environments before - I won’t take roles at places open plan offices while I have a choice for example. Only mixed sex toilets would see me refuse a job while I have a choice too.

Since when did ‘we love working with people from everywhere because it gives us global coverage and insight and we are a supportive team’ morph into ‘MEN! Access all areas!’ ?

This is a top down movement. It’s aimed at total removal of women’s ability to be private, to congregate and even to speak. It is a men’s sexual rights movement and I will fight it to the last breath in my body.

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Why don't they invest in providing separate, mixed-sex, accessible toilets in addition to the single-sex and disabled options?

My husband is in IT, currently at Sky london. This is what they have done. Most people, men and women, use the separate individual private and safe individual toilets. This wouldn’t work in public restrooms because of the increased risk mixed sex ( unisex ) public toilets pose for women though.

Tech is that all boys school full of boys who feel funny when a girl walks in the room, plus throw in the money with a determination to rewrite the world so they can always feel comfortable without stinky girls.

Old article, but useful info:

"The tech industry doesn’t simply tolerate gender discrimination, it’s hardwired to marginalise women, says author Emily Chan"

“Well, Silicon Valley can’t possibly be worse than Wall Street.” Well, it is. The gender imbalance is a lot bigger: the top banks are generally 50/50 when it comes to representation; in Silicon Valley, women hold 25% of jobs."

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/17/sexual-harassment-silicon-valley-emily-chang-brotopia-interview

It's become common for big businesses to list a welcoming environment and cultural diversity as necessary characteristics for new investment sites. That’s because companies say this helps them attract the best workers.

So the best workers are women who submit to male domination?

Then it would be easy to tell the chancers from the respectfulgettingonwiththeirlivesquietly people.

Yes. I believe you answered your own question there.

Why don't they invest in providing separate, mixed-sex, accessible toilets in addition to the single-sex and disabled options?

Then it would be easy to tell the chancers from the respectfulgettingonwiththeirlivesquietly people. They'd be the males who still barge into the Ladies.

The connection between the trans movement and those working in IT has been pointed out before.

How marginalised and dispossessed its proponents must be

Yep, this is definitely a totally normal civil rights movement.

So apple are pumping money into this? I'm glad I never bought one of their computers.

And they have to massively pump money into this. People don't want it. Convention planners and sports leagues are more likely to want decent, sex-segregated toilets.

Let's be realistic here, there's more profit to be made from ordinary people than from some genderists.

This being pushed by big business might be more of an indication of who is at the top of those businesses.