Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

Ultimately it's about women's spaces, so logically these spaces should exclude anyone with male physiology, and females who have doped up on T to make them physically stronger and who appear male.

With exemptions. Transmen should not and are not housed with male prisoners. Transmen should be allowed into some limited women's spaces but should be excluded from some if they pass as male or perform (sport) as male.
Transwomen should be excluded by default.

Women's space and non-women's / mixed space. Perfectly logical, maintains our protections and doesn't assume anyone's gender.

Oh look prick o' clock has come early this weekend, no need to wait until midnight for us lucky souls on FWR.

I wonder what Germaine Bunbury likes to have for breakfast...

No they really don't. That's just bull shit made to guilt people into caving

In fact channel 4 pulled this appear and released an article that shown that actually in the uk trans was the safest status.

There have been leaks than ten deaths in the UK in the last decade. 2 Women a week however are murdered

Hi PJ - do you have any comments on the link I posted indicating mixed sex changing is more dangerous for women and girls?

"Yes, I do.

It's not."

There's no arguing with stupid. Did you actually read the article outlining the research?

Women tend to lass better as men than men do as women.

Plus women are not equivalent threat to men that men are to women.

So transmen in the men's would not cause the fear or threat to men.

Transwomen in the other hand mostly don't pass and woukd he extremely triggering to many women.

Were always said a third space was the way to go and I'll campaign with them.on that.

It's the transwomen vocal though to intrude on the women's spaces

^ prisons

Female to male transpeople are housed in the women's estate as it is.
Female to male transpeople pose no risk to women so this is not an issue.

Why can't you just accept them in your toilets famous Why can't transwomen use the men's.

I have absolutely no problem with transwomen using the same toilets as me, but they're asking to use the women's. Why can't you accept them, hypocrite?

No trans woman in the UK has been murdered in a toilet. So you can stare at the wall behind the urinals in the quiet you insist there is

On the contrary, transwomen are the victims of high levels of violence from men, far moreso than biological women. Good to see they have your sympathy.

If transwomen have to share toilets with men, it logically follows that hairy, bearded transmen would be sent back to the women's toilets

No it doesn't.

Which is why we need a universally applied third "unisex" space for everyone who is happy to use unisex and Transgender ppl. This is something feminists have suggested for a long while.

Obviously most women will feel odd about a bearded testosterone-ridden transman entering their space but you would assume a woman passing as male would not wish to inflict that discomfort on women.

Under the equality act there is an exemption that a ftm transperson can be legally excluded from women's spaces due to their "perceived maleness".

Why can't you just accept them in your toilets famous
Why can't transwomen use the men's.

No trans woman in the UK has been murdered in a toilet. So you can stare at the wall behind the urinals in the quiet you insist there is

Not our problem. If they're happy in the men's that's between them and men. If they want a third space, I'll happily support their campaign.

The question wasn't hard.

If transwomen have to share toilets with men, it logically follows that hairy, bearded transmen would be sent back to the women's toilets. Are you content with this?

I have an important need to completely ignore derailing irrelevance from men who think women have to respond to their bollocks.

So, Apple.

what toilets should a transgender man use?

Not our problem. If they're happy in the men's that's between them and men. If they want a third space, I'll happily support their campaign.

Hi PJ - do you have any comments on the link I posted indicating mixed sex changing is more dangerous for women and girls?

Yes, I do.

It's not.

By the way, I have an important question for all women in this thread.

Would you be comfortable with a muscular, bearded transgender man (think buck angel) using the same toilets as you?

If yes, then what's to stop a biological man from pretending to be a transgender man? How would this one be enforced?

If no, then what toilets should a transgender man use? If you're proposing they use the men's toilets, then the woman's toilets is effectively a woman's only space, whereas the other toilets are basically "men and everyone else." Feminists couldn't support this kind of different treatment of men and women, for reasons which I hope are obvious.

Hi PJ - do you have any comments on the link I posted indicating mixed sex changing is more dangerous for women and girls?

So, how about the influential and moneyed tech companies investing in removing single sex spaces, huh? Pretty interesting topic.

I don't often use AS but it's been very useful with this one.

This one is a right muppet.

Who you're letting in is every pervert, predator, camera-phone, filming device, recording device, Porn Hub uploading creep under the sun who wouldn't think twice about saying "but I self-ID as a woman, today" to your face.

Oh, that's your concern? You know women can use recording devices too, right? It's a good idea to check for recording devices regardless of who else uses the toilet; I always have a quick glance around to make sure some weirdo hasn't put their phone under the cubicle, and I'm a man.

This thread is about Apple's investments into GN bathrooms.
Feminists have spent generations discussing sex segregated spaces it's literally the main topic of conversation. I suggest you go away and discuss that with yourself....

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Do you have any idea who and what constitutes a trans woman these days?

Google Nicola Huntley and Karen white then tell us we should he British and reasonable

It's utterly absurd that someone on this thread has suggested "throughout history there have been sex segregated toilets and now society is totes so much safer there's no need for it"

Actually, the comments were regarding male and female spaces as a whole, not toilets. Desert nomads and bronze age religions have separated men and women for millennia (they're still doing it in Saudi Arabia). "Women's spaces" was never something that women actively thought for. Somewhat laughably, I thought the common narrative was that gender segregation in religion was sexist because it was treating women as 2nd class citizens.

So which one is it? Are gender segregated spaces essential, or is it a symptom of a society that treats women as being inferior? You need to go away and talk about this one among yourselves, and come up with a consistent narrative.