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@HighIQ I'm not a "lefty" haha. You are the cliche cringe Peterson fan I was talking about. Not everyone who disagrees with daddy Peterson is on the left, I lean centre right. Anyway you obviously have issues with women if you're down this path and from your rambling 10 paragraph mess it's safe to assume that.

I had a friend who went from liberal left to the darkside of Milo Yianopolous, JP and MRA stuff. I would try and talk to him about it, offering different viewpoints but remaining respectful to his views. He didn't change his mind but he appreciated that I would engage with him. Now he is seeming to come out of the other side after about 3 years. We are still friends.

I would try and talk to him about it. It may be something he just has to go through. It may be him for life. Overall you have decide how much you can tolerate and if this changes how you feel about him. It doesn't mean he is a bad person now.

OP bring it back to real day to day life. It’s easy to get caught up in hypothetical, intellectual problems that we can all have an opinion about. Ask him what he thinks about your current relationship and if he has problems at work etc. Maybe having a mean female colleague or boss is affecting him like the bullies at school. In which case, he might need support and sympathy.

The general attitude in society is to value assertiveness and competition (traditional ‘male’ attributes though displayed in both sexes). He sounds like he might agree that mutual co-operation and understanding of different people’s situations are better things to aim for (for both sexes) - maybe that could be a good common starting point?

Having argued with MRAs online for a couple of years, it seems to me that they have a deep feeling of superiority over women. They see women as inferior and contemptible. Some feminists are quite anti-male, but they don't look down on them like that. If anything they build them up into the universal oppressors.

If you look at the J4MB site - the official British MRA party- you'll see daily articles about women doing something criminal or stupid. The narrative is that all women are basically like that: stupid, dishonest, greedy etc. The equivalent would be a feminist site that took random examples of men looking bad and generalised then to all men. There isn't such; the closest equivalent would be drawing attention to something like DV, but not trying to imply that 'all men are like that'.

"He was bullied at school by girls and has never had male privilege, so yes, like just about all of us he has reason to be angry. But it is the focus of it at the moment that is wrong."

Would he consider counselling to deal with the feelings the bullying produced?
I hope he finds away through this. Maybe try and empower him to find a way to feel positive without the need to. Put down down.

CritEqual you have to go back half a century to find an actual attempted murder by a feminist?

This suggests that feminists are a largely peaceful bunch, surely?

deepwatersolo no I don't do that either, I let them assume I'm one of them and then blind them with logic

Agree - where is the proof about female paedophilia? Would also like to know the details about the equal parental rights objections - the fact that men have equal parental rights can be used by men to pursue women in domestic abuse cases through the courts in a continuation of the abuse, this is well documented in research. It is also why Women’s Aid are currently running a campaign against the presumption of contact even where there has been violence

Child First Campaign

While I totally agree in a presumption of equal parental rights, what often gets lost is parental responsibilty, and indeed, the fact that the law is - or should be - about the best interests and voice of the child.

I appreciate that is a tangent from your point but worth considering broader context (which I would need to look up here)

Regarding the ‘de-published’ paper, that is interesting as it raises a couple of possibilities
A) the research was flawed and should not have been published
B) there are a number of subjects which the academy will not touch (being gender critical is one). I wonder if this one comes under the rubric of ‘modern day eugenics’ which again is closed down for obvious historical reasons. I am not sure I agree it should be closed down, but it is an interesting thought example as to how people would react if male and female were replaced by white and black.

Anyway, thank you for providing some examples. I am happy to meet in the middle as I have a son. I think the fact that boys suffer child abuse for example is under recognised because society sees the victims of paedophilia as female but the truth is that men are mostly the perpetrators of violence and sexual abuse against boys and men are men (and one or two examples of women does not disprove this). The truth is that men have opportunities across the world which are denied to women. The truth is that meeting in the middle means the areas where we need to meet are around men taking equal parental responsibilty (from day one); being able to express concerns about their health and emotions (in ways which are typically decried as feminine) to reduce the incidence of male suicidality and mental health and to catch diseases earlier; and to take apart a social system which judges male success on professional prestige and earning power - which is basically another way of saying patriarchy hurts men too.

I also do that at times, Oink. But I never get emotional or whiny, or throwing insults like incel around - contrary to what we see here. (Like feminazi - really?).

No worries Juells

And I think that less than half a dozen examples of "extremist" feminism is quite telling in itself.
Extremist misogyny: ISIS, foot binding, FGM, sex slavery, female infanticide, bride burning, dowries, I could go on all day.
Extremist feminism: the examples above.

Haha that wasn't aimed at you, Oink.

I've never gone on a website aimed at men, not once. Don't care what they say. Wouldn't occur to me to join up to put the feminist POV.
Yeah, but I do. As mentioned above, I visit their sites, I am nosy. I argue.

Amazing how men manage to home in on a thread like this, and arrive to explain how wrong feminists are.

I've never gone on a website aimed at men, not once. Don't care what they say. Wouldn't occur to me to join up to put the feminist POV.

CritEqual considering that there are numerous articles on the higher variability hypothesis (Wikipedia has a nice summary for a start), I very much doubt said study was „the Proof that was suppressed“. For one, numerous studies are already out there that do show distinct variabilities in several areas (also note that there is no proof in science, strictly speaking). So why suppress something that is already out there.
Depublishing usually happens when the science is flawed, the method does not fit the scientific question, the data do not support the conclusion. Whining that one‘s work did not meet the scientific standards smacks of entitlement.

Just leave the pathetic prick. There are really nice decent men out there. Why waste your life on a misogynist?

Disadvantaged and poor men still maintain their male privilege.

Feminists have protested and attempted to shut down research and discussion looking into the scale and effect of female pedophiles. Thus obsfucating the scale of the problem.

Proof please.

For any who would like examples of feminist extremist acts I have a few:

Valerie Solanus, who wrote the SCUM Manifesto (or the society of cutting up men) who went on to attempt the murder of Andy Warhol in 1968.

North American feminists groups consistently oppose any legislation to give men equal parental rights. In 2001 feminist groups refused to even participate in consultations on legislation were any fathers rights groups involved. They demanded only women be allowed to even discuss the issue.

Erin Pizzey, the woman who setup the first woman's refuge who upon going on to attempt to do similar for men has recieved death threats and protests from feminists at the mere presumption that men can be victims.

Feminists have protested and attempted to shut down research and discussion looking into the scale and effect of female pedophiles. Thus obsfucating the scale of the problem.

Finally feminists in academia have this very year managed to get depublished a mathematical proof looking at the greater male variability hypothesis. Rather than refute or rebut with better science it has been censored and removed. This hypothesis attempts to examine that there are more men at the extremes on statistical distributions like birth weight, but more significantly IQ ie that whilst IQ averages out across the sexes there are way more men of significantly lower IQ than average coupled with more men at the extremes of IQ.

This disparity could explain why more men are in prison as low IQ correlates with poor impulse control and violence, but it also explains why you see more men in professorships as well as occupying board positions and CEO roles, as again extremely high IQs correlate with competency in those roles.

Note I'm not any happier with MRAs or men's rights groups I'm happy to list a litany of sins on that "side". However I assume most of you are already conversant with those. What I'm most interested in is finding those open minded enough to meet in the middle.

ScottCheggJnr it's not really neckbeards Vs powerful female MPs though is it? Visitors to Return of Kings or A Voice for Men or even Reddit/4chan come from all backgrounds, I don't think we can write them all off as neckbeards with no influence.
I mean if misogyny was limited to a handful of losers there would be no need for feminism at all!

IMO the media have misrepresented some of JP' less palatable (but still within the range of normal debate) opinions to discredit him and his resistance to coerced speech. Watching JP videos would not be a red flag for me in a person who has critical thinking skills.

The other videos you describe are worrying.

Anyway OP you sound unhappy and he sounds changed and unpleasant. Maybe it's time to move on?

There's no doubt that incels etc are more extreme in their resentment, but they're generally adolescent neckbeards without much influence.

However, there are many powerful feminists who exert real influence. Many of them I respect, but there there some instances where I'm more sceptical.

Jess Phillips, for example, is a respected MP and no doubt wants the best for women, but seeing her scoffing at the IMD proposal and commenting that she was the only woman in the room gave the wrong message IMO - as if the priviligeged MPs surrounding her have anything in common with the men at the bottom killing themselves. Same thing with that feminist politician in Australia who cut funding for prostate cancer causing many men to die unnecessarily.

Scottwhat is the female equivalent to Peterson, MRAs and incels, though?

Maybe somebody like the tumblr celebrity Misandry Mermaid with her 'I drink male tears' mug or the infamous feminist who stated she would underfeed a male child as they were already at an intrinsic strength advantage (or the other one who said she'd abort a male foetus).

Ultimately it's likely that both these types of character (MRA and extreme feminist) are likely to be socially/mentally unadjusted as individuals and potentially this is just the medium through which they channel their energies (symptom rather than the problem).

The worst I can think of at the moment is male tears which is IMO pretty childish