to wonder why some people just don't get it?

It was pride that peak transed me. Pride is about being free to be with who you want. So I thought it was awful that people were telling lesbians that they have to be open to transwomen

Yes me too. I watched the live coverage by Prick News of the wonderful group of lesbians who commandeered the front of the march. The male reporter could barely hide his contempt, he was calling it an "anti-trans" protest.

I was screaming at the screen "Are you a gay man?" "Do you like eating p*y?" "Do you crave PIV sex?"

Staggering that in this day and age sexual orientation is coming under attack AND from within the LGBT community itself.

Don't you ever look at the endless stream of such posts on this forum and think 'actually, maybe I'm the one with the problem' ?

Not when posts are actually read & thought about no.

This is a useful thread for anyone new to the discussion:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Don't you ever look at the endless stream of such posts on this forum and think 'actually, maybe I'm the one with the problem' ?

No. Next?

(Feeble efforts lately, Sue. You're coasting.)

Why don’t people get it?

Don't you ever look at the endless stream of such posts on this forum and think 'actually, maybe I'm the one with the problem' ?

but they’re not generally downtrodden women in any other way

One thing I'm only slowly realising is the fear that inhabits the soul of many people who are comfortably off but not absolutely secure who are aware at some level that their comfort could disappear. One can sometimes be surprised at how fiercely they support the status quo.

So you might think Countess but they’re not generally downtrodden women in any other way, as far as I can see. I think most of them would consider themselves outspoken feminists, and some have social media accounts full of supposedly feminist posts and memes of the “I drink white male tears” variety. It’s like they are sort of mindlessly antagonistic to men until one claims to be a woman, and then they’re falling over themselves to please him.

I say “mindlessly antagonistic” to set this male tears type feminism apart from feminism actually based on systemic analysis of male violence - which of course I don’t think is mindless.

'They would all side with Alex Drummond over any woman in a heartbeat and genuinely seem to want to share intimate spaces with the Alexes of this world. I can’t account for it.'

Sucking up to the powerful. Perfectly normal survival tactic.

Paris Lees in the Sunday Times this week:

"“I’ve become a professional trans person on the circuit — there is a circuit, you can make money from it. "

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vogue-columnist-paris-lees-im-the-acceptable-face-of-trans-i-dont-frighten-the-horses-9hfbk0nx5?shareToken=e82b1c4ee7e8f2d5a794438688f8d626

Same old story.....follow the money. It's like a pyramid scheme

Also, I don't think many people realise that 9 out of ten trans identifying women have a penis still. They think we are being mean to transsexuals

current thread with succinct referenced 'fact checker'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3448982-Trans-Fact-Checker

I find it very hard to believe Linda Riley would seriously consider a relationship with someone with a penis. Has he claimed she would? Or just that other lesbians should?

I honestly don't how he kept a straight face while he was reading from his book. Or more to the point, why his audience couldn't!

Also, I don't think many people realise that 9 out of ten trans identifying women have a penis still. They think we are being mean to transsexuals

For the vast majority of people it is 100% this. And even once they are told trans women mostly have penises and were previously straight men it can take months or years to process it. It did in my case. It just seems so implausible.

However there are a large number of aggressively woke women who definitely DO know that and yet furiously shut down debate on this stuff and spend all day online calling out “terfs”. I live in a very woke place right now and many women I know locally are like this. It goes way beyond merely wanting to appear kind as they are actually out here reporting “terfs” to the police. They would all side with Alex Drummond over any woman in a heartbeat and genuinely seem to want to share intimate spaces with the Alexes of this world. I can’t account for it.

Another one I'm scratching my head about is Linda Riley- currently having a go about Glinner, saying that men shouldn't speak for lesbians. But a man can actually BE a lesbian according to LR. How on earth does she square that in her head?

So too Ruth Hunt (CEO Stonewall)
There are a number of male women/lesbians on the influential Trans Advisory Committee

AD may well be having a laugh behind the scenes- but to all intents and purposes, they is (sic) a woman, and Stonewall employs them as such on its advisory policy-making committee

Alex 'Grrl' Drummond is my go-to video to explain this nonsense to a newbie.

Just realised I put Davidson instead of Drummond in the previous post. In my defence it's late at night here in NZ.
But seriously, he really is having a laugh - isn't he?

Another one I'm scratching my head about is Linda Riley- currently having a go about Glinner, saying that men shouldn't speak for lesbians. But a man can actually BE a lesbian according to LR. How on earth does she square that in her head?

Alex has had quite a lot of success, validation and influence though.

There is a book.
Speaking and teaching opportunities etc
Presumably involved with Stonewall's policies etc.

Thanks for the Magdelen video.
Alex seems to have hit a mid life crisis.
I've seen many men hit this, resulting in some poor woman/women paying the price for an ego.

In the end, it always comes back to stroking penises.

I imagine all of those years trying to pass as a man were really hard, having a male body and all. It must be so liberating to accept that he can finally be the woman he always was, even if he only heard of transgenderism at 40. ffs!

That Alex Davidson. Is he having a laugh?

We understand pretty well how our psychologies work to protect us against the discomfort of cognitive dissonance. And I understand how young people are indoctrinated into a belief, because the rest of their group believes it, and their cognition is not yet fully mature anyway.

I can also understand how intelligent adults who've adopted a belief about something relatively peripheral to their personal concerns, with little thought about it, will automatically use dissonance-reducing strategies.

But what I am struggling to understand is a case like TwistedStitch describes: how a prominent radical feminist, active in the area of VAWG, could come to adopt such a belief in the first place. As far as I can see, it would have to be social pressure, fear of losing the respect/acceptance of others. Could that social pressure perhaps have come from a different group membership? Maybe, I don't know, radical politics generally, or academics, or social workers?

I think people these days absolutely love virtue signalling and it's hard to go against the rules of your tribe

Magdelen Berns (on the Alex Drummond video above)

'What Kind Of Fools Do Transgender UK and Stonewall Take Us For?'

Oh and there was this article when TransgenderTrend dared to challenge the current misinformation given to schools.

schoolsweek.co.uk/schools-urged-to-ignore-dangerous-gender-guidance/