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If research finds no significant differences for sport for male & female, where will that lead?

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CrazyToast · 11/12/2018 22:27

I read today that Loughborough has recruited 5 PhD students to research the gender binary in sport. Could be fine, you may think. But look at the advert.

"One of the most influential, powerful and visible institutions upholding the gender binary is sport – where participation is predominantly segregated by biological sex, rooted in the widely-held beliefs about fairness and the biological advantages associated with being male. Such beliefs are over-simplistic, legitimise discrimination, and hinder the sports participation of transgender (intersex, trans, non-binary) individuals. With the rapidly growing societal visibility of transgender people, there is an unprecedented need to address areas where discrimination may arise."

Combining the above statement with other research which suggests 'most policies unfairly alienate transgender competitors based mainly on an unsubstantiated assumption that transgender females possess an unfair sporting advantage.'

NB this is Bethany Jones who recently said that women could just try harder in sports if they didn't want to be beaten by men

There is now a push against testosterone testing in women's sports for trans women, and also to scrap sex categories in sport altogether.

If this happens, then it is essentially saying there is no relevant physical difference between males and females. What could this mean for wider life outside of sport?

Could sport be paving the way to undermining sex-based differences in the same way as self -ID?

What if the research does find that there are no differences? What are we to make of that?

www.researchgate.net/profile/Bethany_Jones5

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ReflectentMonatomism · 11/12/2018 23:15

It’s a basket weaving research group. The sports people at Loughborough will laugh at them. That said, it seems extraordinary however if they actually have five funded studentships; that’s the best part of a three hundred grand. Where is the money coming from?

donquixotedelamancha · 11/12/2018 23:01

Such beliefs are over-simplistic, legitimise discrimination, and hinder the sports participation of transgender (intersex, trans, non-binary) individuals.

Christ on a bike it really pisses me off that these people can claim to be Scientists. It should be a sacking offence to so such ridiculous bias in your research.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 11/12/2018 22:56

Having glanced briefly at her publications, they all seem to describe self report (interview and questionnaire) studies. That sort of research might tell you lots about how people think about sport but has nothing whatsoever to say about objective performance differentials between the sexes.

CrazyToast · 11/12/2018 22:55

You'd be amazed about what 'scientific research' can find when it is biased. I have no doubt they will find what they want to find, sadly. I just hope that making it easier for trans women to play sports doesn't come at the cost of women achieving in sports.

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AspieAndProud · 11/12/2018 22:49

There’s no gender binary in sport.

There’s a sex binary.

If they are going to compare the performances of men who identify as men with men who identify as women they aren’t going to find any differences.

If they are going to claim this result shows there aren’t sex differences in performance they are just plain lying.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 11/12/2018 22:41

Most research centres men and their bodies to the exclusion of women- it’s a way of men looking after men under the guise of science - unfortunately it looks as though more funding has been obtained to continue that insidious pattern of wilfully ignoring women and girls

AssassinatedBeauty · 11/12/2018 22:41

They can't and won't. If they do publish something that claims there are no differences then they will be promoting a falsehood.

I mean, it's basic biology and physiology, it's not complicated.

Melanippe · 11/12/2018 22:41

I would ask to see the raw data, because it will have a lot of 0 and 5 endings.

HestiaParthenos · 11/12/2018 22:40

If it continues like this, I will just invade the pedestal at any given competition and tell them my gender identity is medal winning woman, and they have to give me the gold medal to validate my identity.

I have no patience left for this shit.

deepwatersolo · 11/12/2018 22:38

What are they going to do? Erase decades of sports statistics? Brand These statistics as hatespeech and whoever mentiones them as KKK-level evil?

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