Church of England transgender blessings

Chewy I assure you I am perfectly aware priests wear frocks. However, these priests are not men. Therefore, it is offensive to refer to them as such.

No probs user - I forgive your confusion, we all have bad days. Yes, priests wear frocks.
You seem to keep repeating your earlier comment that transwomen are men in frocks, are you transphobic?

user

I dont know what the original post said exactly

But as a lapsed Catholic i can assure you that its a running joke that a priest is a man in a frock

Like i say...no idea if the original post was referring to that...but i do know subsequent posts are referring to that

I’m confused. Are you telling me that regardless of gender, all preists are reffered to as men in frocks? Forgive me, I thought your posts were simply referring to these trans women as men.

Since when is male transphobic?

Priests are men in frocks...thats an actual fact

Also, it's fine for men to wear frocks. Clergy or otherwise.

Despite this, I still believe everyone, including trans people, deserves to be treated with respect.

Yes, of course trans people deserve to be treated with respect.

But.

What about women and girls? Don't we deserve to be treated with respect? 'Woman' and 'female' are material realities which affect our lives from the day we are born until the day we die. We cannot identify out of the implications of having a female body.

A male person claiming to be female is the height of disrespectfulness.

Is using the word "male" now deemed transphobic?

On twitter recently a feminist was sanctioned for using the word 'dude'

It seems to depend on the determination of the monitors who report such things & then of course the platform's rules.

What an age we live in.

User it’s not disrepectful to call priests in frocks men, they’ve been wearing frocks for hundreds of years. Hence the verb defrock. Clergymen wear frocks, some of them are rather pretty frocks too. Some of the clergy wearing these frocks call themselves women others call themselves men. Rather silly to deny it.

Probably. What isn't?

Is using the word "male" now deemed transphobic?

Why is saying "males in frocks" transphobic?

Priests, trans or otherwise, have always been referred to as men in frocks. Deal with it.

Don't they have a thing where they are 'defrocked' for dodgy going ons?

Ah another thread full of calling trans women ‘men in frocks.’ But mumsnet is NEVER transphobic, not at all.

Priests, trans or otherwise, have always been referred to as men in frocks. Deal with it.

Trans! Need to find my glasses.

This announcement gained lots of publicity for the Church.

Call me sceptical, but anything to do with trabs sells.

Despite this, I still believe everyone, including trans people, deserves to be treated with respect.

It seems rather disrespectful to make false allegations and smear vast numbers of women with such a blanket statement.

A poster on a different thread has their posts deleted merely for pointing out what some people consider transphobia - actually accusing people of it on a thread is strictly forbidden.

I can never get my head around being able to hold the belief that "God is infallible, omnipotent, all-wise", and yet could manage to put a soul in the wrong body. Or is it minimum wage angels on the assembly line these days?

Christians don't really believe in the infallibility of their god these days.

Or they'd be a bit more busy protesting genetic engineering (humans think they can make better food plants than god the almighty? Pure hubris!) than bothering women who want to get an abortion, something that, for all I know, isn't explicitly forbidden in the Bible.

Creationists are more concerned with denying the existence of dinosaurs than with protesting the patenting of plants and animals.

On the whole, there's a tendency to want to punish sinners themselves (see pro-lifers murdering gynecologists) instead of trusting that god will do it.

Christians (yeah, NACALT, et cetera, but a lot of them) seem to think their god is a bumbling fool who doesn't get anything done without their assistance.

Unsurprising that he's now suspected of putting female souls in male bodies on a regular basis.

Yes, and I read it because I’m a feminist who fights for women’s rights. Despite this, I still believe everyone, including trans people, deserves to be treated with respect.

It does matter because you've alleged that this thread is full of something that its not.
You've used that as proof that 'Mumsnet' is transphobic.
Its not civil to smear women like this.

This is the feminism and women's rights board.

Not sure it matters. The point is that the transphobia, and constant denial of it, is getting tiring.

#words matter

full, several, a couple, one?