Transwoman charged with capital murder for killing baby girl ***Warning added by MNHQ - contains some very upsetting reports***

Which reminds me - does anyone know what happened with Hudson v MoJ?

It was supposed to be heard in court in September but there have been no press mentions since June?

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/12/transgender-prisoner-tara-hudson-ministry-of-justice-discrimination-trial/

Maybe it was quietly dropped after the Karen White story became public? Think that hit the news in early September?

Maybe if all the women’s prisons fill up with Male bodied criminals, there will be no room left for women convicted of non-payment of fines?

Fingers crossed, hey?

Theoretically natal women convicted of violent crimes and risk assessed to be of significant danger to others can also be held on seperate wings in the Male estate.

I believe that currently there are 0 women prisoners considered to need this kind of maximum security housing.

Out of the approx 100 whole-life tariffs ever imposed in the U.K., only 3 were given to women (Myra Hindley, Rose West and Joanne Dennehy - all of whom had male co-defendants).

There are hardly any sex offender or Category A prisons

Should say...

There are hardly any sex offender or Category A women prisoners

Soz. Typing in haste.

If transwomen commit violent crime of this type, and they are housed in the female estate, new prisons will have to be built. And high category prisons are incredibly expensive.

End point? There won't be any more prisoners - just the balance between women and men prisoners will change because not all the women prisoners will be women. There are hardly any sex offender or Category A prisons. So in the end, they will just redesignate a currently male prison to a female prison and it will contain a few dangerous women and a shedload of dangerous people who aren't women.

They should be on a segregated wing in the male estate, as they offend at the same rate as other men, and their rates of sexual offences are somewhat higher. That is a much better way of handling the risks of violence to both women, and trans prisoners. It is not appropriate for them to be in women's prisons at all, in my view: we don't accommodate the hurty feelz of would-be concert pianists denied the opportunity of expressing the music in their soul, so I don't see why Brian gets to wear frilly knickers and have us call him Serena. They're in prison- they're not supposed to call the shots.

I am opposed to the death penalty.

But what is the prison system going to do with the increasing numbers of transwomen offenders who commit violent crimes? There is nowhere in the female prisons for these offenders to be placed. Even if it was safe for the female prisoners to do so.

If transwomen commit violent crime of this type, and they are housed in the female estate, new prisons will have to be built. And high category prisons are incredibly expensive.

Hope the monster gets the death penalty.

wonder if the TRAs will go after them now
Of course they won't. They'll be quite happy not to be associated with a baby killer.

Over on the AIBU thread on Huntley, a poster repeatedly calls him "it"...

I am completely against the death penalty on principle but then I come across cases like this and I just think.... hmm I would actually support it in this case.

Well if news reports are calling him by male pronouns, as he’s after all a man, then I guess we can reference him as a man on here.
Horribly tragic case, my heart goes out to the family.
This individual clearly had mental health problems.

A local news report with some clarity, wonder if the TRAs will go after them now www.centexproud.com/news/local/update-prosecutors-seeking-possible-punishment-for-man-accused-of-killing-toddler/1651190037

It's not MN really is it... it's people reporting and they have to follow their guidelines once its reported. I'd think they could just ignore them in the case of child murderers but...

Looks like they were happikybusong their Male name (and describing themselves as a ‘tranny’) 10 months ago:

m.youtube.com/channel/UCae1L_wu4O25xxvD3kWWHjA

Lots of the news stories I found use the perpetrator’s birth (Male) name - one quotes a family member who describes it as their ‘real name’ so it seems likely that they haven’t legally changed their name, nor their legal sex/gender status.

That crowdfunder is heart breaking.

Patricia Ann Rader, ‘Annie’. You deserved love and protection.

I’m opposed to the death penalty on principle but I hope the person who did this to you never knows liberty again.

(You used to be able to get help with funeral expenses for murder victims in the U.K. - I hope you still can. It seems especially cruel to have to ask for help at such a terrible time - even those of us who are organised enough to plan for our own funeral expenses are unlikely to have considered it for a healthy child)

Both Texas and New Mexico (where the accused was reportedly from) both require sex reassignment surgery to change a birth certificate. So...?

Raven

Why wouldn’t they?

Surprise, surprise! A biologic male violently murders a defenseless toddler. Happens every single day on this planet. We all know the problem here...male violence. (And no, it is not changed or mitigated by makeup or a new name.)

That said, what a decrepit piece of shit! Given the nature of Texas jails, my hunch is this individual will have a difficult time behind bars. It's doubtful the accused will be housed in a women's facility, though Texas is currently "restructuring" their policies for trans inmates.

As an aside, I'm not sure where Texas stands on record keeping and gender ID. I think the accused will likely be listed as male.

The family are pushing for a death penalty charge - much more likely to happen when the perpetrator is Male-born than when the perpetrator is female-born.

I googled and several reports say the child was squeezed, so the physical strength of a Male bodied person is likely relevant for forensics.

All the reports I read use the she/her pronouns, so mentioning the (alleged) murderers trans status doesn’t appear to be intentionally disrespectful, just one of the facts of the case.

www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/shawn-vincent-boniello-capital-murder-charge/5174078/

This link works. Real name is in the link but not the article