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Recommendation that Butterfly used as training material for social workers

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stumbledin · 10/12/2018 23:21

Good practice is based on listening to the child's needs and enabling them to express their wishes

www.communitycare.co.uk/2018/12/10/tv-shows-like-butterfly-can-teach-us-social-work-trans-children/

Only posting because the recommendation seems to be based on thinking the series was without flaws - not what one would want or expect from professionals Shock

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stumbledin · 11/12/2018 00:27

For me this illustrates the worrying echo chamber coming out of universities where there have been 30 or more years of queer politics creating the trans narrative. This means that many now teaching or researching are in facts products of the queer backlash against the autonomy of women political analysis created by the women's liberation movement (ie part of the back lash against women).

And presumbably those responsible for commissioning or publishing articles on community care are also part of that process.

So for them they talk / think in this anti biological reality nu speak.

Its really worrying to think that those with the very difficult work of social care should be approaching it with this woman denying concept of the world.

(The extent to which the policy of deliberate misuse of language to prop up the trans arguement was pointed out by somebody as having permeated the UN where a press release relating to Human Rights Day talked about gender rights rather than women's rights.)

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R0wantrees · 11/12/2018 00:13

important thread re toolkit for social care workers, foster carers etc & resources created by TRAs for children and young people in care:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

OldCrone · 10/12/2018 23:57

As is often the case with pieces like this, they get a bit confused about the terms sex and gender making self contradictory statements like this:

... many believe that gender can be fluid, but that sex (i.e. biology) is fixed and binary. The perception of a fixed concept of sex/gender is challenged by trans people who feel their biological and gender attributes do not correspond.

If gender can be fluid, then it is not a fixed concept, and there is no need for it to 'correspond' to a sex.

While most children are likely to experience their ‘gender identity’ as consistent with their male or female appearance, some children and young people will disrupt binary expectations by dressing and behaving in ways usually associated with the opposite gender. Our experiences as researchers suggest that this kind of play is ‘normal’ among children who will grow up to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or heterosexual.

OK, so gender non-conformity is 'normal' for all children. But wait...

However, a child growing up believing themselves to be gender variant is likely to experience considerable distress, disturbed behaviour, withdrawal and potentially mental ill-health, if their feelings about their body are not recognised or acknowledged by the adults around them.

What is gender variant? Is that just the gender nonconformity mentioned in the previous paragraph?

This is, crucially, different from explorations of sexual orientation, which refer to the person’s sexual attraction to someone of the same gender.

Same gender or same sex? They made a distinction earlier, and now they're conflating the two.

Badstyley · 10/12/2018 23:43

When I was a kid I thought smoking my own weight in pot and snorting my own weight in coke was a good idea, in fact I’m pretty sure I identified as a druggy. Probs a good job nobody in authority thought it was a good idea to indulge me. Not that it stopped me mind but I didn’t get free drugs and rolled up fivers.

Oh god, what is the point of having professionals at all if the kids are always right?