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Paris Lees Interview in the Sunday Times

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Igneococcus · 09/12/2018 08:21

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vogue-columnist-paris-lees-im-the-acceptable-face-of-trans-i-dont-frighten-the-horses-9hfbk0nx5?shareToken=e82b1c4ee7e8f2d5a794438688f8d626

I wish the author would have challenged Lees a bit more. It's all a bit fluffy.
No comments. so readers can't ask the questions the interviewer didn't ask.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/12/2018 10:08

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OldCrone · 09/12/2018 10:06

"...study after study after study round the world shows these kids, who aren’t supported by their families, are highly vulnerable,” Lees says.

I suspect that any child who is not supported by their family is highly vulnerable.

OrchidInTheSun · 09/12/2018 10:03

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WrathofbubonicKlop · 09/12/2018 09:34

I rather like Paris, she has had a tough upbringing, she's doing very well now.
Paris is surprised how well life has turned out, considering her difficult childhood.

Minors who end up selling sex at 14 are extremely vulnerable.

Needmoresleep · 09/12/2018 09:34

Thanks for sharing.

As ever it seems to be about extrapolating individual experience, without logic or wider evidence.

So Paris has a father attached to strict gender roles, so Paris thinks that homones should be available more easily to young children. Paris seems, like others, to have had a rough start in life, but that suggests there could be more than an inborn sense of gender dysmorphia.

The article usefully bats back the statistics robustly, quoting an NHS source.

And effectively shines a light on Paris' disinterest in potential child protection concerns: "It’s not up for debate, they are at risk of self-harm and all the issues that go along with that: depression, drug addiction, homelessness." Yeah...but. The argument for single sex spaces is not individuals but about overall risk.

#no debate may be useful, but gets us nowehere when protecting children or vulnerable people.

Vogues new direction is interesting. They seem to be aiming for a younger cooler look with Paris, Lily etc. I assume they are looking for a switch from the trad print readers to younger online ones. And assume that their research indicates that this is what advertisers want. (Leave Tatler to make the money from schools guides etc for the monied aristos - Vogue goes for the young, flash and rich.) But if they are aiming for a younger, more influencible group, they perhaps owe some duty of care.

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 09/12/2018 09:33

Imagine arriving late to a professional meeting (after all you can make money from this now) and admitting it was because you “were having a bad hair day”. FFS.
Women eh? All fluffy hair and fluffy brains underneath.

donquixotedelamancha · 09/12/2018 09:15

I wish the author would have challenged Lees a bit more.

I thought it was very balanced. PL wouldn't do an interview which was too challenging and, given how verbose she is, putting it in a Q and A format would be difficult anyway.

WrathofbubonicKlop · 09/12/2018 08:57

Youthful unhappiness could have been avoided if at age 11 if she had been given puberty blockers

17 trans in a school isn't shocking with maybe a couple of thousand kids

I've become a professional trans person on the circuit
You can make money from it

Anybody shocked?
Not me.