Theybies?

@PheonixBuchana thank you for that update. I was beginning g to think I was alone in this! Clearly I'm not and I'm pleased to hear that isn't medical practice to do so.

I wonder whether it's the stupid job directors do of birth dramas!

Hell, why don’t we let 4-year-olds smoke and get tattoos if they want to?

@ChristmasSprite we never tell the parents, but I find lot of parents are convinced we are going to make an announcement "it's a !" So we do get a lot of requests not to say anything. In a few cases (such as this one) it goes a bit further though, in that the parents don't even really want us to refer to the sex. Which is quite frankly a bit nuts.

But yes, it wasn't relative to the theybies' thing, was just wondering is all

I didn't want to know until the birth either,but could have done at various points.

I am just saying how precious it was to have those private family moments of discovery without the involvement of anyone else at that point, and that meeting the babies, was the most intense bit and then discovering the sex for ourselves was something the MW left to us which was lovely.

Yes, they probably as medics need to confirm the sex for formal documentation and so on, but I think it's nice to leave parents with their birth and baby where possible. I found her very unobtrusive and respectful.

scooping up the baby, welcoming the baby

I welcomed my son. I was very happy to know he was my son- not "the baby"

Can I just ask, as you are a midwife, why on earth any MW would feel it necessary to tell parents the sex of their own baby?

Why on earth not? I was really looking forward to being told as soon as possible. I could have found out from my amniocentesis test but chose not to know until the actual birth.

I had an elective caeserean and I can still remember the surgeon saying "it's a boy!"

On day 2 I noticed they were slipping up (I was still doing my best to be polite and go along with it) and by day 3 they were referring to her as "little miss"

That gives me hope.

Demanding of people that they use neutral pronouns for everyone whose gender identity they can't know will probably end the idiocy in all but the most stubborn.

So I guess mine were 'theybies', even though everso briefly

Can I just ask, as you are a midwife, why on earth any MW would feel it necessary to tell parents the sex of their own baby?

I think I must have been in the minority with a midwife who said nothing at the birth of mine and it was the most exciting thing to do - scooping up the baby, welcoming the baby, then moments later looking for the sex of the baby. I think many MWs take this away from couples who don't need to be told the baby's sex.

Is it a necessary protocol or anything? I really appreciated my MW for stepping back each time, and staying out of that precious moment.

I'm a midwife in a very right-on area of Canada and I had some painfully woke clients who planned to do this. They gave their DD a gender neutral name (obvs I was asked not to announce/make a big deal of the sex at birth) and they started off by referring to her as "they". On day 2 I noticed they were slipping up (I was still doing my best to be polite and go along with it) and by day 3 they were referring to her as "little miss" They were really lovely and intelligent people and I think the nonsense of the whole idea dawned on them fairly quickly!

So you tend to just hear shit about Tucker Carlson if you aren't a US Republican, but this was hilarious (for the most part, I mean the Sherpa's point about telling girls they must be princesses he replied to "biological reality" which misses the point).

I gathered that the petition is a pisstake. Because if the argument that trans children know their own minds absolutely is taken to the extreme, then we'd have to adopt the stance that all children have the right to decide what sex they are. Since some trans children know they're trans from the age of 3 or 4, then the age of 4 seems really quite sensible.

Though, of course, there could be children of 4 or older who could be unsure, or even c*sheteronormthingytive, perhaps it would be better that all schools adopt the policy of all children being girls/female/whateverthecorrecttermis one week, and then all children being boys/male/whateverthecorrecttermis the next? Government to provide funding for two sets of uniform, obviously.

By the end of formal education, every child should know what they are - and probably the parents will have resorted to distilling gin in their bathtub.

I do like Kittens approach, though.

If we can't know what gender someone is until they tell us I thing we need to go a step further and have them wait till they've attained full cognitive development before making the big announcement.

I propose setting the age at which this happens at 24. Think, it would be the longest Twitter break Lily has ever had!

The next step in the narrative is to potentially describe any parent/midwife/doctor who observes a baby's sex at birth as 'coercively assigning male/female at birth'

Just another silly faux progressive fad where wealthy middle class parents try and find a special opt out for their own children.

Person's schtick seems to be taking the piss out of the left, so probably. Though it is sometimes hard to tell after that AFTH manifesto that was all "let all trans prisoners out and btw we also demand the right to do surgery on ourselves".

Is that petition a joke?

Titania? Really?

Someone has set up a petition:

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1070285627013390338

www.change.org/p/matt-hancock-mp-protect-the-rights-of-transgender-babies

And then changing its mind a week later, because it is 4.

Or becoming entrenched in sex-based stereotypes?
Is there a grand reveal when the child's 'gender' preference is announced to world at 4 years and suitably gender-conforming gifts and clothes are provided.

O its going to be another opportunity for card sellers and cake makers isnt it?

Its all abut the pronouns... baby is they, the child at 4 years old will presumably choose its pronouns. Thus signalling to the world which of the gender 'options' it prefers.

And then changing its mind a week later, because it is 4.

Isn't "baby" a non denominational term anyway?

Its all abut the pronouns... baby is they, the child at 4 years old will presumably choose its pronouns. Thus signalling to the world which of the gender 'options' it prefers.

which in terms of children's language aquisition is interesting