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Letter in the Times - Plea To The Trans Lobby from group of transsexuals

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PimmsnLemonade · 08/12/2018 00:23

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/times-letters-reasons-for-private-schools-oxbridge-success-sqjb6kkgt

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welshgendercrit · 08/12/2018 15:14

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ShotsFired · 08/12/2018 15:09

Piss off Alexis.

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ShotsFired · 08/12/2018 15:05

I think Debbie Hayton is a honest person trying to stand up for what they believe in, and I appreciate them publicly stating they want to find common ground with women, in what is a very hostile environment to say so.

But honestly, the OTT gushing of thanks on that twitter thread is like a masterclass in female subservience.

UpstartCrow · 08/12/2018 14:52

I should think their actual words fall on deaf ears as they don't oppress women.

arranbubonicplague · 08/12/2018 14:51

Debbie H's Twitter thread about the letter is interesting both for the additional links and some of the side conversations:

twitter.com/DebbieHayton/status/1071204195095797762

ShotsFired · 08/12/2018 14:48

So what do the outraged-on-their-behalf-"cis allies" say to that?

AspieAndProud · 08/12/2018 14:48

We are seeing a definite split in the transcommunity between those who identify with women and those who identify merely as women.

SarahCarer · 08/12/2018 14:45

Now that is brave

DrSue · 08/12/2018 14:43

I'm sure one of them will be along to accept their thanks soon enough.

Insertwitticismhere · 08/12/2018 14:33

That is an extremely well crafted letter.
Thank you to all the signatories and to The Times for printing it!

FatherBuzzCagney · 08/12/2018 13:52

Thank you, everyone who signed that Flowers.

Badgerthebodger · 08/12/2018 13:49

Great letter, thank you to all the signatories Flowers

PineappleSunrise · 08/12/2018 13:20

Thank you to all of the signatories. Flowers

silentcrow · 08/12/2018 13:08

I'm really pleased to see Fionne and Seven on there (and I've just seen Kinesis tweet in support too, they missed the call) - it shows that it's not about "old school" transsexuals moaning, but that there's agreement across the generations on this.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 08/12/2018 13:08

You will certainly get grief for this. Thank you for being prepared to do so - an approach based on mutual respect as you advocate would never have ended up where we are. I saw Kristina speak in Reading and found her perspective very enlightening and interesting.

VickyEadie · 08/12/2018 13:07

Great to see the trans people who have empathy with women speaking out.

Thank you to all of you. I won't forget your names.

ShimmyShimmyYa · 08/12/2018 13:03

Brilliant! Thank you

ValWiggin · 08/12/2018 12:34

Fantastic letter, thanks to those who created and signed it.

gendercritter · 08/12/2018 12:26

Such a great letter. Very pleased to see it's been published

PurpleCrowbar · 08/12/2018 12:22

Excellent letter.

I've just shared the text on FB for the benefit of an acquaintance who's told me that people who don't accept that TWAW 'belong in the bin.'

PebbleDashed · 08/12/2018 12:05

Simple, succinct and to the point. I honestly believe that we're beginning to see the re-emergence of common sense and a real centre ground in Britain. I hope so because we're going to need it in the face of all these social divisions.

BrienneofTERF · 08/12/2018 11:52

Lovely letter, a big thank you to the signatories!

BettyDuMonde · 08/12/2018 11:41

Fantastic letter.

I didn’t notice the TRA ideology for ages, because anytime a woman friend signposted me towards it, I would refuse to even look at it out of loyalty to my trans friends.

It was only when I realised that my trans friends were also being harmed by the new trans politics that I allowed myself to properly engage with the debate.
At which point I realised that my woman friends were absolutely right and I apologised for not listening.

This letter will do a lot to reach people in the position I was once in,.

cockBlocker · 08/12/2018 11:29

Thank-you to the signatories for their continual support in the face of such hostility.

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