Letter in the Times - Plea To The Trans Lobby from group of transsexuals

how do TRAs not see the hypocrisy of demanding every individual has the right to identify as whatever they want, while simultaneously denying Leanne the right to identify as "transsexual"?

This is the problem.... historically and rightly so transsexual is a medical diagnosis for those with Gender Dysphoria. For those who would be unable to get the diagnosis the solution as they see it is to demedicalise and self id. The medical condition gets turned into a lifestyle choice.

Transsexual people get it from both sides. Indeed I got abuse last night for stating I was transsexual and against self id.

Irrespective of people's views on women's spaces there is no denying that historically those biological men who were using them were a very small number who were medically assessed.

Leanne
Huge respect for your openess and bravery in this current climate.
Just been reading your story.
Thank you for speaking out, you've done a very courageous thing. So important to hear voices like yours.
Take care.

And I know I shouldn't be shocked by anything any more, but how do TRAs not see the hypocrisy of demanding every individual has the right to identify as whatever they want, while simultaneously denying Leanne the right to identify as "transsexual"?

Leanne - Thank you for your courage and honesty

Bullying and coercive control by some seems to run almost unchecked.
That national newspapers can be so controlled by a single-interest lobby group should be deeply worrying to all.
Julie Bindel and Janice Turner have described this week the impact of trans-activists on their work as journalists.

Janice Turner in The Times, 'On Trans Totalitarianism'

My heart goes out to you Leanne. I wish you could have found happines just being yourself. I have a child who is non gender comforming and so far they just seem to be happy as they are. I dont understand why the TRAs are trying to reverse decades of progress since your transistion.

And I'm also very grateful to all who have written such kind words tonight, coming at the end of a week which was the most difficult I've known in years. You're all stars.

Sorry Hamster00 missed you there, what with all the bog diversion.
to you also. Not playing the TRA divide and rule shit.

Greatly surprised to learn the Daily Mail has just published. I am grateful for this turn of events. For as Needmoresleep says, the right to free speech and democratic debate is absolutely fundemental.

Leanne
Thank you for speaking out, for women, for children for other people like you.
I'm sorry you have had such a hard time. It's not an easy road to take.
Be assured most of us understand that,we really do have empathy with you.
For all the accusations of transphobia, we're not scared of people like you, but the men who will happily throw you under the bus along with us.
I think you would be a lovely friend to have.
To kay, and hamster thank you for being here and your sensitive and insightful posts also.

That is one courageous interview Leanne
Respect to you for speaking out.

Another one who appreciates Leanne for being brave enough to share her story. We need to hear from those at the heart of this and with direct experience of the consequences - both negative and positive.

Thank you.

Thanks gendercritter got the link, just reading.
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6493959/Transsexual-warn-reality-transexual.html

Leanne Will call back when I've read it again.

Leanne

Outside the whole GC debate, admitting to loneliness and to having made mistakes is brave. These poor children. Thank you for speaking up.

I managed to read about half of it before clicking off. It's very badly written. It does not serve any one well, including the journalist who wrote it.

Many here support transexuals who face the same issues as we do, perhaps even more acutely.

And many of the transsexuals here will stand with, and support women who frankly are facing not only the same but WORSE issues than we are.

It is odd that whilst the trans activists cry transphobia against many transsexuals (on Twitter it is almost a given if you post critically and admit you are TS - but the names you get called are usually nastier). And yet many of those who signed that Times letter seem quite happy to post amicably on here.

Why is it odd? Its not women abusing TS on twitter.

I understood the main point in the letter was that some TS were challenging the abuse against women by transactivists rather than seeking validation here from the women who are being silenced and bullied.

Not mine. I've just checked.
All lesbians, with tits bigger than mine, over here.
Will send reinforcements if you are having bother this evening.

Bubonic...

Many here support transexuals who face the same issues as we do, perhaps even more acutely. The right to free speech and democratic debate is absolutely fundemental.

The Mail have now printed an article here

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6493959/Transsexual-warn-reality-transexual.html

Yeah: but could we get back to centring women in our feminism?
Always have, always will. Not sure of your point here?

For example: the right for girls and women to say No to you, even though you believe yourselves to be the good guys who are on our side?

Yeah: but could we get back to centring women in our feminism?

What Rowantrees said; good idea!