Letter in the Times - Plea To The Trans Lobby from group of transsexuals

I also know I will never be a man either

What does it mean to you to ‘be a man’?

Earlier on I posted a post that was largely centred on the actions and words of Miranda Yardely

What exactly have I said you disagree with?

Do you perceive a rights conflict with women when biological males are given rights ‘as women’? If so, how do you think best we may work to resolve this?

In the vast majority of cases those who identify as female under a transgender flag are clearly appropriating and the situation should never have got that far. When no hormonal intervention or surgery is involved then biological fact says that person is male.

As far as I am concerned the starting point for where we are now should only be for those medically and appropriately diagnosed.

Where I struggle is with the very small percentage who having exhausted all other avenues of treatment do require transition in order to function in life.

I do not believe TWAW but the assumption is that if a transsexual woman isn't a woman then the only alternative is they must be a man. Of course I can never be a woman but I also know I will never be a man either. And theres the problem and I don't think there can ever be a solution.

Part of me thinks that long term the solution is a reeduction of gender stereotypes starting with children. Do the complete opposite of what is happening now....teach children that there is no such thing as a gendered activity. Sex stays binary and gender gets scrapped completely. If society didn't recognise gender only sex then you can't have a gender in conflict with a birth sex !

99% of the time I use disabled spaces.

This isn't the answer either though, is it?

Just like women fought for our spaces, disabled people fought extremely hard for their spaces, in order to be able to participate in public life (and there is still a way to go).

What is stopping trans people campaigning for your own spaces? Serious question.

Earlier on I posted a post that was largely centred on the actions and words of Miranda Yardely. Who was one of the main people behind the recent , excellent, Times letter.

Sadly, in order to make clear that MY's stance is on the distant margins of trans/ transgender/ transsexual issues, it seemed logically necessary to speculate as to motivations.

So I asked the MNHQ to delete my post, not because I regretted the sentiments , but because it is not kind to speculate about someone else's inner world on a forum, even though everyone's " inner world view" drives their thoughts an actions.

Anyone who saw my post will be well aware of my argument that the ideas that MY espouses do not represent informed opinion. By which I mean those of specializing psychiatrists and most long term most op transsexual men and women.

*A quiet life without the modern transgender bullshit dealing with my GD whatever way I can.

I want continued medicalisation, the current GRC process to largely remain, additional psychological and psychiatric support to make transition only ever a last resort and to scrap the promotion of TG identity to children.*

Do you perceive a rights conflict with women when biological males are given rights ‘as women’? If so, how do you think best we may work to resolve this?

Thanks for the preceding answer. Are you able to define yourself by what you do stand for?

A quiet life without the modern transgender bullshit dealing with my GD whatever way I can.

I want continued medicalisation, the current GRC process to largely remain, additional psychological and psychiatric support to make transition only ever a last resort and to scrap the promotion of TG identity to children.

So kay signs letter for the intimidation of women to stop.

But when asked says that TS men and women will be in the loos of the acquired gender, whether anyone likes it much, or not.

The number of transsexuals it seems, who actually have an affinity with women is vanishingly rare. Hamster and Miranda, being current exceptions.

So transsexuals who have no affinity with women, who disregard women's consent, but who are quick to condemn other interlopers hellbent on taking up their space in women's toilets and changing rooms?

Sometimes the hypocrisy so strong, it almost makes me itch.

Does any women agreeing to the 'honour system' really think it acceptable for a male person, transsexual or transgender, to be alone with a teenage girl in an open plan changing room? Yet TS have stated that they have the right to do this.

Some TS maybe but not all. Most TS I know would be the same.

I would never put myself into that position even despite the fact I am incapable of any sort of male sexual capacity.

I am not a TRA. I am against self id, demedicalisation, promotion of TG agenda to children, I don't believe TWAW, I dont believe it's possible to change sex

Thanks for the preceding answer. Are you able to define yourself by what you do stand for?

Do you use women's spaces, cantgetridofthekids

99% of the time I use disabled spaces.

I have on occasion used womens spaces but rarely.

Here's my definition of a meaningful transition: dispensing with male entitlement; dispensing with ordering women around; acceptance that women's consent is never limited.

Surgery, it would seem, has little to with this.

Both male transsexuals and male transpeople are pushing women's boundaries whether they acknowledge it or not.

The 'honour system' was only for a few appropriate public toilets, not changing rooms, not sports or AWS. Does any women agreeing to the 'honour system' really think it acceptable for a male person, transsexual or transgender, to be alone with a teenage girl in an open plan changing room? Yet TS have stated that they have the right to do this. Many TS think that it is right that they take part as women in sex segregated sports. Many of the male transpeople on AWS are TS.

Often transsexuals talk about knowing they are trans from an extremely young age and talk about being near suicide before transitioning. The often talk about how TS differ from TG by the medical processes and hormones they have taken. How is this not encouraging young people to bind their breasts and seek puberty blockers?

This is FWR, I don't think it's fair to expect women to differentiate between male transpeople when their demands impact women's rights and safety in the same ways.

Do you acknowledge ‘trans women’ are male?

Of course. You can't change biology.

My point is that it feels like the interpretation of my words is always going to be taken in the worst possible way.

It may well feel that way to you. I don't doubt that.
The truth though is on the thread.

Its worth re-reading and reflecting on what was actually said.
Your choice of course.

Do you use women's spaces, cantgetridofthekids? Apologies if you've already said and I missed it.

If your best response to women's justifiable concern at the erosion of our language, boundaries, spaces and services is 'be kind' then you are adding insult to injury.

This.

Miranda Yardely does not represent " the acceptable face of " transsexualism " in the eyes of many of us who see ourselves as anti self ID , and have lived long lives in the acquired gender role, and may have a GRC.

Or not. No matter.

Wow. So who gets to decide who the "anti self ID" self IDers are then? Not women, obviously.

What do you intend to do about that?

I fail to see the alternative has to be that I must therefore be recognised as male.

Do you acknowledge ‘trans women’ are male?

The comments have been made as a criticism of your words, not who you are

My point is that it feels like the interpretation of my words is always going to be taken in the worst possible way.

The comments have been made as a criticism of your words, not who you are.

This ^^

The comments have been made as a criticism of your words, not who you are.