Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Comprehensive article by Helen Joyce (Economist's Finance Editor) 'The New Patriarchy: How Trans Radicalism Hurts Women, Children—and Trans People Themselves'

39 replies

R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 17:40

concludes:
“I can’t think of any genuine human-rights activism that demands attacks on the rights and protections of other civil-society groups, or advocates hateful language against them,” says Professor Bhatt. Trans activism is also unusual in that it gives men a chance to claim they are oppressed compared with women, and plenty of opportunity to tell women to shut up, says Ms. Gerlich. “It’s a postmodern patriarchal backlash.”

The code of omertà extends to academia. After lobbying by trans activists, Brown University in Rhode Island withdrew a press release about Prof. Littman’s paper on ROGD, citing concerns that it might be used to “discredit efforts to support transgender youth and invalidate the perspectives of members of the transgender community.” Last year, Bath Spa University, in southwest England, rejected a proposal by James Caspian, a psychotherapist who specializes in transgender clients, to write a thesis on de-transitioning, explaining that the research might be criticised on social media and it would be “better not to offend people.” Kathleen Stock, a philosopher at Sussex University, wrote a Medium post in May about the lack of discussion of gender self-ID within academic philosophy. Trans-activists called for her to be sacked—and she received dozens of supportive emails from other academics, most saying they dared not speak out publicly.

The aim of all this, says Jane Clare Jones, a British freelance writer and philosopher, is not only to silence dissent, but to make it impossible to state any distinction between trans women and cis ones. Since women are oppressed because they are female, not because of feminine feelings or presentation, this linguistic erasure is “profoundly anti-feminist.” Statements such as “trans women are women” and labels such as TERF are what Robert Jay Lifton, who wrote about indoctrination and mind control in Maoist China, dubbed thought-terminating clichés: “brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases…that become the start and finish of any ideological analysis.”

In the United States, criticism of gender self-ID is complicated by partisan politics. Women who elsewhere might sound the alarm do not want to be seen as in alliance with right-wing FOX News hosts and conservative Christians who are also against gay rights and abortion rights. The most organized opposition is in Britain, where government-mandated legislative consultations provided a focal point for campaigning groups such as WPUK. Mumsnet, a parenting website founded in 2000, is less hostile to women’s discussions of trans issues (though it now removes posts that “misgender” people). And the feisty British tabloid press has not shied away from covering rapists self-identifying themselves into women’s jails, boys allowed into Girlguiding and the like. The Daily Mail fought an injunction to be able to report on Jess Bradley, a trans woman suspended in July from the post of trans-rights officer at the National Union of Students because of allegations that she ran a blog named Exhibitionizm, where she posted pictures of her exposed penis, taken in public places and in her office.

The singular focus on gender self-ID, along with the shutting down of academic work on trans issues, harms not only women, but trans people. Although trans activists’ ire is focused on women who object to self-ID, it is overwhelmingly men who commit violence against trans people, a problem that by comparison is ignored. And other causes that are important to trans people, such as more research on the causes and treatment of gender dysphoria and its links with other mental-health issues, not to mention the long-term effects of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, have become taboo.

Overall, the push for gender self-ID does more harm than good to the interests of gender-dysphoric people whose main concern is to be accepted by members of the sex they wish they had been born into. And as we see more cases of people claiming transgender status in bad faith, we may see a backlash. “We were living quite happily in women’s spaces getting on with our lives before this stuff blew up,” says Melissa, the trans person I quoted at the beginning of this essay. Which is one reason why, far from supporting self-ID, she wants to see the rules for changing legal sex made tougher: “If you want access to women’s spaces, you should have to show you’re no more risk to women than other women are.”

Needless to say, she has been called “transphobic, a cis quisling, and a sell-out.” But women’s worries about their privacy and safety should not be brushed off or shouted down, she says. That is something women had to endure for millennia, under the old-fashioned patriarchal societies of yore. And they shouldn’t have to stand for it now that it has been rekindled under a new progressive guise."
quillette.com/2018/12/04/the-new-patriarchy-how-trans-radicalism-hurts-women-children-and-trans-people-themselves/

really worth a read and sharing

Comprehensive article by Helen Joyce (Economist's Finance Editor) 'The New Patriarchy: How Trans Radicalism Hurts Women, Children—and Trans People Themselves'
OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Yeahnahyeah · 09/12/2018 08:48

Bring it on. Every article like this opens minds. Under His Eye.

Bittermints · 09/12/2018 07:30

That was a really good overview.

AspieAndProud · 08/12/2018 00:19

Just thought I'd let you know that apparently Quillette is an anti-feminist, rather alt-right magazine, which explains the ghastly comments after this piece.

Maybe you should tell that to Julie Bindel:

quillette.com/2018/10/31/silencing-women-in-the-name-of-trans-activism/

Quillette isn’t ‘alt-Right’. It publishes articles that wouldn’t get published elsewhere and the alt-Right have plenty of places to go. What unites the writers there is the belief that ideas should be discussed openly and on their merits.

Yes, many of the comments under the articles are by bell-ends but the fact that so many take issue with the articles rather indicates that they don’t speak for the magazine.

welshgendercrit · 07/12/2018 23:59

Sadly it's starting to look like it's only right of centre to very right-wing publications that are willing to publish gender-critical material, both in the UK and elsewhere. Look at what the Spectator and Spiked have been doing in recent months and of course the Times.

PleasingFungusBeetle · 07/12/2018 21:50

Just thought I'd let you know that apparently Quillette is an anti-feminist, rather alt-right magazine, which explains the ghastly comments after this piece.

Its a shame that she published it in there, as it is so good and many people will use that as a reason to dismiss it. I presume that it was the only place that she could get to publish it

Anlaf · 07/12/2018 18:41

bumping this for the Friday crowd - I'm halfway through and it's a tremendous piece. Clear and even handed and just great.

TheDowagerCuntess · 06/12/2018 17:25

I particularly liked the fact that she's brought in the concerns of old-school transexuals and how they want to do all that they can to be tolerated by natal women.

This is at the crux of it. As a liberal, left-leaning feminist, my default position was one of full sympathy for transwomen, and to want to welcome them into our space.

It's only as time has gone on, and the agenda has been well and truly distorted and taken over, that my sympathy has dried up.

Transactivists hate women, which is why I have no compunction is saying they're not women and never will be, and they're absolutely not welcome in our space.

Hothouseorflophouse · 06/12/2018 10:05

De lurking to say thank you for sharing that as it is the best, most rational, clear analysis and history of the whole situation that I've read. And now I'm going to re-read.

I particularly liked the fact that she's brought in the concerns of old-school transexuals and how they want to do all that they can to be tolerated by natal women. I've always found it strange that the more recent trans women seem to hate women so much when they purport to want to be one. If I wanted to be a surgeon, it would be because I respected surgeons and wanted to emulate them. I wouldn't tell them to f* off if they offered their experience and gently suggested that saying I was a surgeon didn't make me one.

OtepotiLilliane42 · 06/12/2018 09:26

Such a brilliant analysis of the whole poisonous TRA ideology. I'm glad you are emailing it to Louisa Wall The DowagerCuntess Her remark was indefensible.
Illyria47 and I are emailing a set of questions on Self Id to the Minister for Women, Julie Ann Genter tomorrow, and we intend to cite Helen Joyce's article as an essential resource for understanding the deep concerns women in NZ have over this issue.

frazzled1 · 06/12/2018 08:51

Thanks for sharing.

heresyandwitchcraft · 06/12/2018 08:12

What a fantastic piece. Thanks for sharing, R0, and huge thanks to Helen Joyce for writing it Star

TheDowagerCuntess · 06/12/2018 05:38

Fantastic article. We are so behind the UK here in NZ.

I'm going to email it to Louisa Wall, a Labour politician who recently referred to objectors as 'fucking TERFS', and ask for a response.

NotYourCisterinAus · 06/12/2018 05:23

Recently I switched from reading "The Guardian Weekly" for the world news to "The Economist". True, the magazine has rather hefty business and finance sections, and also I don't agree 100% with its editorial standpoint. On the other hand, it has more news and less opinion pieces than the Guardian - and at the very least it has never described me as a "menstruator"!

Aethelthryth · 06/12/2018 03:37

Thank you. Great article

AspieAndProud · 06/12/2018 02:37

Great article.

By the way, I’ve never actually read The Economist. I thought it was just about, you know, economics or something. That’s why I was surprised when they banned the word ‘terf’. I couldn’t see why they’d be printing it in the first place. Is ‘terf accounting’ a thing?

Goposie · 06/12/2018 02:11

Really good article!

KinCat · 06/12/2018 01:12

Brilliant article.

HouseOfMouse · 05/12/2018 22:10

That article is excellent. It covers the concerns so clearly.

ChattyLion · 05/12/2018 21:33

Thanks for sharing this.

GrinitchSpinach · 05/12/2018 21:22

This is a superb summary of the current state of affairs. I am gathering up the courage to send it to someone close to me who had a knee-jerk "we should all be kind!" reaction the first time I broached the topic.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 21:16

This is excellent - so comprehensive!

And it covers so much of the recent developments even down to (I assume - unless there is more than 1 incidence of this) JessicaJayne, the transwoman banned from twitter for misgendering herself (which is possibly peak-bonkers?)

I've sent this to DP to give him an overview of what I have been obsessively reading about for the past few months

AnchorMum · 05/12/2018 21:00

This is a fantastic article that ties so much together. Thanks for posting.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 05/12/2018 20:32

Excellent article. The comments are dispiriting though. More and more men appearing in comments columns gleefully saying this is caused by radical feminism and women (who were uppity and didn't want to accept subordination and got out of their place) are now reaping what they deserve.

Men really do hate women. And will egg on transgenderism because they will enjoy seeing the punishment of women. Plus ca change.

R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 20:29

October 2018 Amy Dyess article, “TERF Is Hate Speech and It’s Time to Condemn It”
(extract)
"You don’t have to be a radical feminist to be labeled a TERF. A lesbian can make it clear she believes trans people deserve human rights and respect, but she’s still a “TERF” because her sexual orientation has an innate boundary. That boundary is same-sex attraction for other adult human females. Lesbians are the only sexual orientation that excludes penis, and that makes us the most dangerous adversary to the patriarchy.

Extremists don’t believe women, chiefly lesbians, deserve boundaries. That’s what this issue is all about. They disguise their misogyny and homophobia as social justice in order to gain support from people who are misinformed. So-called “progressives” are openly oppressing and condemning the homosexual community, primarily the lesbian community.

The Economist has banned the use of “TERF” in articles and comments because the slur “may have started as a descriptive term but is now used to try to silence a vast swathe of opinions on trans issues, and sometimes to incite violence against women.” Unfortunately, too many journalists and sites have decided to do the opposite. Even editors are doubling down on their misogyny and homophobia." (continues)

medium.com/@amydyess83/terf-is-hate-speech-and-its-time-to-condemn-it-6efc897ce407

OP posts: